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Old 01.03.2010, 14:51
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Re: what is marriage? and when one can consider it failed?

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... or because some people and cultures value the notion of 'family' over 'self'.

... or, for that matter, 'jollies to Amsterdam'...
..well that's ones own decision. Funny how in the end, people still chose self over family sadly however always a tad bit too late.
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