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Setting up a new GmBH

Hello all,

I have a couple of questions regarding opening a GmBH.

1- What's the best way to have a virtual office address?. I thought about registering the address to my own flat but travel a lot and I think it's better if the company address is not chained down to my current address.

I know about Regus and go-swiss but they charge around 200-300 CHF per month just for mail forwarding. Is that price normal or there is something a bit cheaper than that?

2- I met with a lawyer from a Trust Company and she offered to do the entire process instead of me for a fee of 4000 CHF. All i have to do is give her some documents and she hand back the GmbH in 2 weeks. Anyone had any experience with such Trust companies?. I think 4,000 is pretty steep as some of my friends said they paid around 1,800 to establish their GmBH.

3- Can you recommend a good Notar that can handle the entire process for me?. I already read the documents on gruenden.ch but they all seem overwhelming for me so I prefer if hired a notar or lawyer to handle the entire process and make sure all the documents are done correctly.


Cheers and many thanks for your help in advance,

- Hosam
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Old 03.11.2011, 12:16
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Re: Setting up a new GmBH

Give me 100 and you can use my address!
I'll scan it for you and forward as email. Or give an rdp/vpn on my server!
I even will give you a world wide swiss-phone number with answer machine.

Netnotar.ch will do it for you for CHF 800.-; they did mine too.
In ANY case, you'll need to sign the notary in PERSON. You can not do it remote. Costs will rise in case you don't meed standards i.e. not deposit the funds in cash but in assets, several trustees or partners etc.

Do you have swiss residency?

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Re: Setting up a new GmBH

Welcome to the forum...

I have a fellow in Zurich who is competent and reasonable. Send me a PM and I can forward you his contact info.
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Give me 100 and you can use my address!
I'll scan it for you and forward as email. Or give an rdp/vpn on my server!
I even will give you a world wide swiss-phone number with answer machine.

Netnotar.ch will do it for you for CHF 800.-; they did mine too.
In ANY case, you'll need to sign the notary in PERSON. You can not do it remote. Costs will rise in case you don't meed standards i.e. not deposit the funds in cash but in assets, several trustees or partners etc.

Do you have swiss residency?

Cheers

George

Hi George,

Thanks a lot for your reply

- What are the implications if I wanted to change the address later? I remember that lawyer said the main address of the company is pretty tough to change.

- About netnotar, what's the process after I finish their online process? Is there any hidden costs or so?. And yes I will deposit the money in cash. Do you have any recommendations or advices for opening the bank account?. I was planning just to go to UBS and ask them to open a locked account for a GmbH.

- Yes I have a B-Permit and an EU passport.

Cheers,

-Hosam
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Re: Setting up a new GmBH

Dear Hosam,
the implications with the address are two folded.

One
Tax. You always pay taxes on the company location. and there you get sued as well. As we are not handling a lot of things federal rather by state, you encounter different taxes and tax rates. Sample: As a juristic person (company) you pay in Zurich church taxes (to both main-churches, though you will not get any benefit - your religious feelings or memberships don't count. If you Muslim, you pay this taxes, regardless. In Kt. Aargau (where I live) you don't. But the taxes are higher. The cheapest one is Kt. Zug and Geneva. Rumors saying Luzern also tries to get the share and lowers their company taxes in future.

Two
No, your lawyers isn't right, its not tough but has its expenses. As such, it is easy to change the address later. However, you need to re-register in another canton, re-publish your company in the camber of commerce in the other canton, closing some "accounts" in the old one. All together it will be quite costly, and yeah, some notary fees will be added. - count 300-600.- as a figure. During this time the company remains all time operational. (and two tax filing, old place, new place)

Registering
You file your company with netnotar online (avoid spelling mistakes, see above about changing tings later). After that, you tell them to what date you want to open your company. Based on that you will get an appointment with the notary. It has to be in Kt. Soloturn, as there they are appointed. Usually in Olten. It takes about an hour or so. He will read you the company deeds, address and everything you filed (to confirm, its the law). Then he checks your IDs, preferably your passport. Stamp here, stamp there, some signatures, handing over money - in my next live I am a notary....

Cost's
Simple GmbH, 800.- plus VAT, 50:50 deposit when you file, 1/2 when handing over the deeds. Nothing else. During the filing they add the cost and show it to you online. You could make a dry test run to see if it fits to you. No hidden cost. At least in my case.

Timeline
File online; one week for papers and appointment, then submission of the papers to the chamber of commerce (Handelsregister). Publishing, wait for the paper, 2-3 weeks, depend of the workload - finish.
Then registering with social security (village) and with SVA (ALV/AHV/BU)
Prior to that register your employees with pension fund and NBU (Taggeld)
You have to register, regardless if you have employees or not or if the company is active or not.

Bank account
Any bank will do. UBS is fine, has a world wide network. Could be in any branch, also outside your residency. At your convenience. I can give you the address in Zug. It's not private banking, they have a special notary department for this. If you already customer, you can do everything by email, otherwise they want to see you in person with PP.
During the opening time (roughly 4 weeks) the 20k are blocked. You are not aloud later to use this money for other purposes then for the company!
Means, after you have the company, you can not transfer it back to your private account! Its not "yours" anymore! You can however, buy goods and pay your salary out of it. Usually UBS charges 200-250.- (or I will be banker in next life... still time to decide)

B-Permit and EU Passport are fine. You actually have less obstacles then me as a Swiss. To avoid mistakes and troubles usually foreigners are treated more nicely then natives. Same for me in case I go to France or Italy.
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Re: Setting up a new GmBH

Forgot to mention, when you open with netnotar, you can ask same time for the VAT number. If you plan to do business in CH its better for you. Others sooner will recognize you as real business.

And you can also choose to "opt-out", so you don't need to appoint a revision place (i.e. PricewaterhouseCoopers ....).

Hope all this helps

Cheers

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One thing I forgot, there will be also a bill from the chamber of commerce, for entering the registry, to publish and some other things. Was for me (09/11) in Kt. Aargau 770.-
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