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Business dog idea

Hi guys, made it safe and well to the USA . was a long trip though but glad to be here.

Anyways upon arrival here I noticed the dog unfriendly ness of the place partaining to bars and restaurants and even shops.

So I had a little business idea. that I wanted some feedback on.

Say you ant to go on a date or go for dinner, whether or not you are local or a tourist after shopping all day and have a hard time leaving your pet at home all day (dogs in particular).
And there would be a petsitting by the hour on the main street that would take the dog for the time you need to go shop or go eat etc.

Would you leave your dog there? This would not be a petsitting business as taking them on walks etc. its just a place to leave your pet for a while so you can go where you want.

So let me know
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Old 06.01.2013, 20:23
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Re: Business dog idea

In Switzerland? Or in the US?
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Re: Business dog idea

Glad you got there safely.

Sorry but no, I wouldn't leave a dog with strangers in the high street. I'll only leave my pets with people I've got to know well and 'tested' as it were.
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Old 06.01.2013, 20:34
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Re: Business dog idea

I probably wouldn't because either the dogs would have to be caged up or you'd have potential problems with the dogs fighting one another and getting hurt.

I actually thought that Switzerland is pretty good about letting dogs go in restaurants, because it's not uncommon for me to see a dog in a restaurant here.
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Old 06.01.2013, 20:38
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Re: Business dog idea

You should research doggie daycares. They seem quite popular on the east coast. Not sure if they've taken off where you are.
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Old 06.01.2013, 20:51
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Doggie day care is a big thing in the US. I suspect it's still a market with some opportunity. Lots of opportunity for daycare, over night care, play dates. What you propose is different still, but could be interesting. You need to research - not sure what qualifications you will need.

Maybe talk to some local vets, dog walkers, dog sitters.


If you have the facilities and the reputation, it might be a go.

I don't like this particular business, but do check out camp bow wow in the US - might give you ideas.

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Re: Business dog idea

it would be in the USA .

Was just playing with the idea in my head as we were walking down the main street and wanted to grab a bit to eat. But we couldnt cause our little Chihuahua mix ( its a tiny dog) was not allowed at all (even on the patio) so I imagine for tourists that travel with pets it must be quit the issue also.

Ill get some info from locals and see if I should perhaps look a bit further into this. btw dogs would not be kenneled but have their own private little section as this would be only for a couple hours (no overnight, feeding , walking etc) just so you can go and enjoy dinner or a quick shopping spree.

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it would be in the USA .
Where in the US? I know that Seattle has quite a few doggie daycare businesses. The one that comes to mind is http://www.metrodogseattle.com/

It would really depend on where you are, as certain cities would be more likely to be feasible. Good luck - I think that it's a great idea.
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Old 07.01.2013, 07:47
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I saw this in Finland, at a shopping center. A line of cages with water bowls, i believe, for people to leave their dogs when they shop. But the cages are really more like garages - solid on the sides, but grates in front so you can see in. Spacious. They were unattended, like lockers in a train station.


I think your idea is interesting, you just have to figure out the "spin", and the regulatory matters.
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it would be in the USA .
I'll start with the positive side so you don't think I'm trying to kill the idea.

Firstly, YES, I think it would be a great idea.
If you're just renting by the hour while you slip into do something, (shops etc.) then if you have an expensive, (or more unfortunately a breed of dog that is otherwise targeted to get stolen) then I would appreciate a reputable 'qualified' venue to leave my dog for a bit if needs be.

I'm not sure where you exactly had in mind, but locations close to such places shopping malls or cinema's would be perfect.

People going to restaurants etc. probably planned to leave the dog at home anyway so you would have to target the more opporunistic places...... but I guess you thought of that (hence the idea).

Downside
Number 1 - The USA has about 60% of the global earned insurance premium (hence why they are so letigious) so the probability of you getting sued is really high.
Add dogs who are unpredicable, and there are going to be a few issues.
To help evaluate risk quickly, I would suggest contacting an insurance broker with your business plan and see what sort of indication of premium you get..... it will give you a pretty good insight on risk calculations to say the least.
Number 2 - I guess you could only accept dogs that are microchipped and need to quickly and reliably access some sort of ID from the client to prevent mix ups or theft...... or worse, they just leave their dog there.
Did you think about this?
(I guess some sort of wrist band like at the swimming pools might work, but I'm no criminal to know how safe this might be).


Anyway, as I said, I like your idea but I thought it's only fair to show both sides of the coin when you throw your 2 cents in.
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Re: Business dog idea

Some very good points being brought up here, thanks for that.

It would not be large scale of say 50 dogs. but more like 10-15 max and there would be someone there the whole time so dogs would be not unattended and theft would be nearly impossible. a credit card number would be left behind where the charges would be made on. So HOPEFULLY noone would leave their pooch behind and it would be sign in and sign out with the proper forms (I could waive much of the liability in this way also)

I guess you could compare it with the playpens found at Ikea for example .
As for people leaving the dog home is what I would like to break a bit . bring the dog with for the evening and when you need some time in the bar or restaurant leave him for a few hours ( place would be open till midnight or 1 am.

This would be in California (santa Barbara to be specific) and even though parks etc are dogfriendly nearly NOTHING on the main street is
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Some very good points being brought up here, thanks for that.

It would not be large scale of say 50 dogs. but more like 10-15 max and there would be someone there the whole time so dogs would be not unattended and theft would be nearly impossible. a credit card number would be left behind where the charges would be made on. So HOPEFULLY noone would leave their pooch behind and it would be sign in and sign out with the proper forms (I could waive much of the liability in this way also)

I guess you could compare it with the playpens found at Ikea for example .
As for people leaving the dog home is what I would like to break a bit . bring the dog with for the evening and when you need some time in the bar or restaurant leave him for a few hours ( place would be open till midnight or 1 am.

This would be in California (santa Barbara to be specific) and even though parks etc are dogfriendly nearly NOTHING on the main street is
Ok, that's what i was thinking too...they do have those in ikeas! So you'll need to enlist the support of local businesses. This is sort of like valet parking for your dog. Also, you should be able to do automatic processing for credit cards with wireless. Frequent customers can prepay and get a discount. You def need to talk to town planning though.
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This is sort of like valet parking for your dog.
"Valet Barking"pty. ltd.

(Ha Ha........ sorry, but there's my idea for the business name for you...... thanks edot for the inspiration)
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Re: Business dog idea

I'll second the points TidakApa has brought up: be very certain to get proper legal advice, and make sure that you have liability insurance appropriate to your business model. You are now in the Land Of Lawsuits.

So make sure your business plan takes into account the potential for accidents, make sure you have firm policies in place to prevent contagion, dog-dog incidents, dog-human incidents - and policies in place to deal with the same if despite your efforts an accident happens.

Have written policies in place detailing what kind of dogs you will and will not accept. (Unneutered, in-heat, unvaccinated, behavioral issues, medical conditions, etc.). Make sure you have a water-tight waiver signed by owners... and make sure you are structured in such a way as to protect your personal assets.

You'll likely need to have some kind of license to operate an animal facility, which would probably include an environmental and health check - your town hall would be the first place to start for information on requirements.

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That said, such a business would likely be viable if you are in a tourism spot. Consider marketing your service with local hotels, local restuarants, etc. I know of one BnB offering a dogsitting service to guests - in this case, the hotel arranges for a one-to-one sitter to care for your dog while you are out.

For every-day usage, however, I wonder.

Unlike Switzerland, it is less common for people to take their dogs out and about in town, due to the restrictions you mention. How many people travel to city destinations with their dogs?

But also unlike Switzerland, one can leave one's dog alone for an evening without worrying about neighbors complaining - because most people live in detached single family homes. Which is what I always did; my dogs were far happier hanging out in their own home snoozing or playing with their own toys than being crated in a day care facility, stressed by the sound of other dogs.

Would I use such a service? No - not only for the above, but also because I would not give my dogs to someone I did not know well, whose skills and qualifications I had not extensively checked. But then, I'm a bit of a nutter, as are my dogs.

I am, however, brutally honest about my dogs' foibles. Not all owners are - and it is these 'unaware' owners you have to protect your business against.

I have used dog sitters in the US, but this was a one-to-one relationship where the sitter cared for my dogs in my home.

And lastly - you need to think about what prices the market will bear. Unlike Switzerland - where I happily pay several hundred Francs per day for a qualified sitter - expectations of dog care costs are very different. I've been gone far too long for the prices I use to pay to be relevant, but you'll need to research your market carefully.

Again, not meaning to pour cold water on the idea. Not at all - dog care is a thriving sector in the US, and if marketed properly to the right niche you could do well. Just make sure you fully understand liablility issues - this is a huge difference from life in Switzerland.

But also unlike Switzerland, you are now in the Land Of Entrepreneurial Opportunity. With your talent and drive you have a good chance of success.

Wishing you all the very best.


(How is you little doglet settling in?)
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Re: Business dog idea

I would never leave my dog with a stranger. I think it would be unfair to him... and most possibly very stressful-

Plus, i dont know the other dogs, i dont know if they are well trained, how my dog will react to them or them to him and i dont know if the person in charde of his care is competent with dogs.

Also i would be afraid some one would steal him. . . After all... he is the most amazing dog in the world.
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I would never leave my dog with a stranger. I think it would be unfair to him... and most possibly very stressful-

Plus, i dont know the other dogs, i dont know if they are well trained, how my dog will react to them or them to him and i dont know if the person in charde of his care is competent with dogs.

Also i would be afraid some one would steal him. . . After all... he is the most amazing dog in the world.
...... would you leave your dog with Anthony1406?
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I would

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Re: Business dog idea

You would need to offer some sort of unique benefit otherwise how would it be better than simply leaving the dog at home or in the car?

For example if you were located near a big shopping centre then people could use you spontaneously.
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You would need to offer some sort of unique benefit otherwise how would it be better than simply leaving the dog at home or in the car?

For example if you were located near a big shopping centre then people could use you spontaneously.

it would be a spontanious 'drop off' more than reserving etc
And here i Cali it is Illegal to leave your dog in the car during summer months... . Also the most common dog here seems to be the little lapdogs who cannot be left alone (even here it gets to be 7 degrees in the evening which is to cold for thee little fellas) AND then you got all the dramatic people around who will call the police or animal control as soon as they see something like it.
As for people leaving the dogs at home: we are on a 'walking' beach so it would be nice to walk a few hours and then go and have a beer , or shop without having to leave them at home all day. This would be an hour to hour business and not a petsitting (walking, feeding, playing) service as the dog would be dropped off and simply taking care (very well) for a few hours.

LOVE THE NAME VALET BARKING (and might use it if the idea grows any further) as long as you'd be ok with that

Btw TAnk is settling in ok but is sick of the moving around. We will hopefully have a fixed place next month where we move in with another lady who has a Sharpei mix ; both seem to get along pretty well so it would be brilliant! I just bought a GMC suburban (99) and we literally lost Tank in the car as he has tons of hiding spaces.
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...... would you leave your dog with Anthony1406?
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I would

if not, read the thread again
No, I wouldnt, still a stranger.

Although, opinion can be changed if the reputation is very good.
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