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This summer I am planning to make a business of where I can be a web host or a video game server host for others. They would go on my website and pay for a certain amount of bandwidth or a certain amount of slots for their video game server.
I know I need servers, but which kind? Can I have some suggested for me please? I looked at digitec but don't know which one to use. To add on to that, can someone help me over PM with questions I have about hosting websites and video game servers?

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Hey,

This summer I am planning to make a business of where I can be a web host or a video game server host for others. They would go on my website and pay for a certain amount of bandwidth or a certain amount of slots for their video game server.
I know I need servers, but which kind? Can I have some suggested for me please? I looked at digitec but don't know which one to use. To add on to that, can someone help me over PM with questions I have about hosting websites and video game servers?

Thank you!
Just a thought: If you need to ask these questions, then maybe this might be the wrong business for you.

Tip: Rent a dedicated server. You will be responsible for the upkeep, in which requires server maintenance know how. Renting is cheaper than buying if you are starting something new. Once you have the revenue and willing to sink a few thousand Franks into your own server and line... then you will have the experience and knowledge to buy.

Good luck.
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Just a thought: If you need to ask these questions, then maybe this might be the wrong business for you.

Tip: Rent a dedicated server. You will be responsible for the upkeep, in which requires server maintenance know how. Renting is cheaper than buying if you are starting something new. Once you have the revenue and willing to sink a few thousand Franks into your own server and line... then you will have the experience and knowledge to buy.

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Agreed. You're the one who is supposed to be ANSWERING those questions, not asking them.
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According to his/her profile, OP seems to be 16. At that age one is allowed to dream about anything and ask any questions.

Now to the topic. You can get started even on your own laptop or PC, all you need is a static IP address which costs something like 10-20 CHF per month from Swisscom etc. Even this can be avoided if you don't mind your computer becoming unreachable once in a while from the outside world. Build a small simple website/gaming-server and run it from your home computer and get an idea of what you are getting yourself into. You can switch to a cloud service or a datacenter once your service/business gets some traction and needs more reliable and better hardware. It is very tempting to buy the fanciest hardware and play with it, but try to delay any costs as much as you can. People have built empires using this approach. I think first version of facebook also ran from a laptop.
If you don't like the idea of running it from home, then go for a cloud based solution. Buy a server and lease space in a datacenter only if you really enjoy ball-n-chains or one of your clients insists and pays upfront for it...
Good luck.. let us know how it plays out for you...
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Old 16.06.2013, 15:00
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Sounds like a great idea - but make sure you have the proper permissions before you start accepting money from others.
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According to his/her profile, OP seems to be 16. At that age one is allowed to dream about anything and ask any questions.
Whether 16 with a dream or 60 as an executive. Nothing is wrong with dreaming - however, a smack in the face with the reality stick does good now and then.

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Now to the topic. You can get started even on your own laptop or PC, all you need is a static IP address which costs something like 10-20 CHF per month from Swisscom etc. Even this can be avoided if you don't mind your computer becoming unreachable once in a while from the outside world. Build a small simple website/gaming-server and run it from your home computer and get an idea of what you are getting yourself into. You can switch to a cloud service or a datacenter once your service/business gets some traction and needs more reliable and better hardware. It is very tempting to buy the fanciest hardware and play with it, but try to delay any costs as much as you can. People have built empires using this approach. I think first version of facebook also ran from a laptop.
If you don't like the idea of running it from home, then go for a cloud based solution. Buy a server and lease space in a datacenter only if you really enjoy ball-n-chains or one of your clients insists and pays upfront for it...
To start, this is the worst idea yet. If the OP (or his/her parents at 16) has a standard internet connection, whether cable, telephone or whatever... Normally these ISP (Internet Service Provider) connections are not synchronous. Meaning, download speed is great... but the upload speed is a fraction of the download speed. Simpler said, if you want to provide a service, especially a gaming service online, then it is vital you have a synchronous connection. For the normal household this is usually expensive. Try your speeds at: Speedtest.net

Thus, your second suggestion - cloud, or mine - rent a dedicated server. Here you will not have the problem of up and down speeds. But, remember... and I offer this tip (again) with experience... If you don't know what you are doing, then find someone that does. You will be responsible for the upkeep and maintenance. If a virus sneaks in or a spammer hacks your server and starts using it to send mails... you are responsible! If the case of the latter (hacker/spams), then your server's IP will end up on a blacklist or twenty. Once the hacker has been removed, it is not easy to clear your name/IP when this happens.

As far as the dedicated server goes - you can go into a rental contract for a managed dedicated server. This means the server is managed (updates, against virus and hacker attacks, etc)... another "but", this is also expensive.

Here is the next problem. You will not get a cloud or dedicated server at 16.

The days of running a website from a laptop are history. Speed and security is vital. Ignore this paragraph at your own risk.

Again, good luck!
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Old 16.06.2013, 20:15
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According to his/her profile, OP seems to be 16. At that age one is allowed to dream about anything and ask any questions. ...
Yes. I remember his earlier posts.

My children are around that age. I encourage them to do what ever they want to do. However, it is necessary to temper their enthusiasm with realism. Sometimes you have big dreams because you're sound asleep - and you need to wake up and smell the coffee.

aehrensperge1 - keep with the ideas. If you're lucky, the 100th might actually fly. This current one - I really think not.
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Jumping Captain, I don't disagree with you when it comes to providing a quality service. But the way these kind of business ideas work is that 1) build something that someone finds useful, 2) make it work at a tini-tiny scale and 3) after you smell the dollars then beg/borrow or steal to fuel your servers.OP is at step 1 or 2. Your advice will serve him well at step 3.

As for running the site from home computer, what can I say except that I have done it myself(no experience with gaming server though). I do see loads of hacking attempts on a daily basis but a simple setup (everything closed down, ssh only login, no root login with pwd, fail2ban to kick offenders etc) it really isn't rocket science to maintain hygiene. The day I become target of crazy hackers, I would certainly take your advice and go hire some professionals. But in my opinion, it is not a pre-requisite for anyone toying with idea of starting an online business. Remember we are talking about a high-school kid's summer project ;-)

The gist is, we are living in best of times when it comes to the ease with which one can tinker with an idea of an online business. Information is freely available and services like AWS/heroku/rackspace/azure etc make the process a cake walk. The holy grail is to get the business idea right. Technical part is really not a barrier any more. 16 year old has an advantage here, because he doesn't know what he doesn't know, so he will try anything. That's how new things come to life....
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Yes. I remember his earlier posts.

My children are around that age. I encourage them to do what ever they want to do. However, it is necessary to temper their enthusiasm with realism. Sometimes you have big dreams because you're sound asleep - and you need to wake up and smell the coffee.
My boss's kid is even younger. Something like 13-14 or so. And he has figured some interesting way of making money on youtube. My boss doesn't get it and I don't get it, but there are dollar pouring in to prove that whatever he does works. So, at times wisdom of years gets trounced by naivety and I guess I am pretty cool with it. I kind of like it :-)

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aehrensperge1 - keep with the ideas. If you're lucky, the 100th might actually fly. This current one - I really think not.
Most likely you are right. But it is much better to find these things out rather than to be told about them. Specially when there is practically no downside except wasted time and probably a re-install of the computer he plays with. This is one of the reasons I suggest to play whatever you have and not to buy/rent servers.
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Jumping Captain, I don't disagree with you when it comes to providing a quality service. But the way these kind of business ideas work is that 1) build something that someone finds useful, 2) make it work at a tini-tiny scale and 3) after you smell the dollars then beg/borrow or steal to fuel your servers.OP is at step 1 or 2. Your advice will serve him well at step 3.

As for running the site from home computer, what can I say except that I have done it myself(no experience with gaming server though). I do see loads of hacking attempts on a daily basis but a simple setup (everything closed down, ssh only login, no root login with pwd, fail2ban to kick offenders etc) it really isn't rocket science to maintain hygiene. The day I become target of crazy hackers, I would certainly take your advice and go hire some professionals. But in my opinion, it is not a pre-requisite for anyone toying with idea of starting an online business. Remember we are talking about a high-school kid's summer project ;-)

The gist is, we are living in best of times when it comes to the ease with which one can tinker with an idea of an online business. Information is freely available and services like AWS/heroku/rackspace/azure etc make the process a cake walk. The holy grail is to get the business idea right. Technical part is really not a barrier any more. 16 year old has an advantage here, because he doesn't know what he doesn't know, so he will try anything. That's how new things come to life....
I have absolutely nothing wrong with fresh ideas, I support them 100% in my business. The fresh ideas turn into big business these days... been there, done it, have the t-shirt

Whether you have been a victim of a hacker attack or not - is not the point in my post, responsibility is the key word in my last. And yes, speed is important these days. Generally if the site does not load or the photo visible with a few seconds, the visitor moves on. That is what high-speed has turned most clickers into, speed daemons

One thing this youngster needs to realize, is that your tip is poor. Please, if you want to go into a service providing server - you have to deliver. An upload speed of less than (about) 10 Mbps may end up with your gamers going elsewhere. This option has more possibility outside of Switzerland, but within the Swiss borders... it will cost. Plus, age is important here. If he/she is not capable of going into a contract legally, then his/her parents must.

Hey, go for it! Nothing wrong with that - but please use your head and do it right
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One thing this youngster needs to realize, is that your tip is poor.
Hmm...I am so tempted to reply, but something tells me that I am wasting my time. Have a nice evening...
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Hmm...I am so tempted to reply, but something tells me that I am wasting my time. Have a nice evening...
Yes, you are. Because we agree that the youngster should try to realize their dreams. We are on the same sheet there.

All I am trying to get across from my experience, is that you can not start a gaming server from a laptop and a household ISP connection. To get more, the OP needs to be 18 because contracts are involved. Another option, find a partner over 18... Easy

PS; you too a nice evening!
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Just a thought: If you need to ask these questions, then maybe this might be the wrong business for you.

Tip: Rent a dedicated server. You will be responsible for the upkeep, in which requires server maintenance know how. Renting is cheaper than buying if you are starting something new. Once you have the revenue and willing to sink a few thousand Franks into your own server and line... then you will have the experience and knowledge to buy.

Good luck.
Totally agree with you
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Hey,

This summer I am planning to make a business of where I can be a web host or a video game server host for others. They would go on my website and pay for a certain amount of bandwidth or a certain amount of slots for their video game server.
I know I need servers, but which kind? Can I have some suggested for me please? I looked at digitec but don't know which one to use. To add on to that, can someone help me over PM with questions I have about hosting websites and video game servers?

Thank you!
Dream big right? I can tell you off hand that a good video game server is going to cost upwards of 4k depending on the video cards you purchase, redundancy, storage, and quite a few more variables. I use to build computer servers for a living down in San Diego, CA for a company called priority computer and networking. We used Supermicro's product line which is what all of the smart hosting companies use, the parts are interchangeable and highly customizable should you choose to switch applications. If you would like me to put you in touch with the lead tech there to get more information regarding this just send me a PM, they can send you multiple configurations but typically this would be something you would provide them with.

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