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As said, yes, anyone can buy directly from the car manufacturer. BMW even offers nice trips to buyers from the US, pick up your car, drive a round for a bit and then they will ship it to the US for you.
And mostly that will have to be done outside of Switzerland, don´t think Switzerland produces any cars? Correct me if I´m wrong.
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As said, yes, anyone can buy directly from the car manufacturer. BMW even offers nice trips to buyers from the US, pick up your car, drive a round for a bit and then they will ship it to the US for you.
And mostly that will have to be done outside of Switzerland, don´t think Switzerland produces any cars? Correct me if I´m wrong.
I know I have to go to the manufacture which in this case is Rolls Royce
which is in the UK. The club/Verein is swiss resident, the vehicle will be owned by the club but is not going to be used in Switzerland but shipped direct from the manufacture to US. Which it doesn't need registration in Switzerland cause it won't be in Switzerland. The goal is to obtain the manufactures certificate of origin and bill of sale and factory invoice etc in the name of the Verein not a dealership.
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....... don´t think Switzerland produces any cars? Correct me if I´m wrong.
Someone did have a whale of a time, making a killer car a few years ago .....

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I know I have to go to the manufacture which in this case is Rolls Royce
which is in the UK. The club/Verein is swiss resident, the vehicle will be owned by the club but is not going to be used in Switzerland but shipped direct from the manufacture to US. Which it doesn't need registration in Switzerland cause it won't be in Switzerland. The goal is to obtain the manufactures certificate of origin and bill of sale and factory invoice etc in the name of the Verein not a dealership.
Buying a British mark, owned by Germans, in Switzerland and shipping to US ..... "Morning, girls", said the blind man as he walked past the fishmongers. Fishy, indeed.
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As said, yes, anyone can buy directly from the car manufacturer. BMW even offers nice trips to buyers from the US, pick up your car, drive a round for a bit and then they will ship it to the US for you.
And mostly that will have to be done outside of Switzerland, don´t think Switzerland produces any cars? Correct me if I´m wrong.
Swiss actual had some car manufactures
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categ...of_Switzerland
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Old 17.02.2015, 10:10
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I think you misunderstand dealer and manufacture.
When you buy from a dealer the manufacture certificate
of origin is made out to the dealer not the purchaser.
Registering the car cancels the MCO and gives the state/canton
legal title and you user title, basically you gave away your property
when you register it. I'm sure there's yearly tax on vehicles which means
if you don't pay they can take your car if you let it get that far.

Doesn't matter if your in Switzerland or US or any other country
once you register property it's no longer yours you split title to it,
that's why the state/canton can reposes it cause it's really there's
once you register it, you pay tax to use it and when you can't pay they take
it. Same thing goes for houses, and land. There ways around things if you
operate in a lawful manner.
Total nonsense.

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I know I have to go to the manufacture which in this case is Rolls Royce
which is in the UK. The club/Verein is swiss resident, the vehicle will be owned by the club but is not going to be used in Switzerland but shipped direct from the manufacture to US. Which it doesn't need registration in Switzerland cause it won't be in Switzerland. The goal is to obtain the manufactures certificate of origin and bill of sale and factory invoice etc in the name of the Verein not a dealership.
Good luck with that, don´t see that happening
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Old 17.02.2015, 10:13
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So how to buy direct from manufacture?
1) Arrange a deal with the manufacturer.
2) Transfer money.
3) Go to manufacturer to collect vehicle and sales receipt.
4) Import it.
5) Register it.

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What's so fishy?
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Old 17.02.2015, 10:19
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I know I have to go to the manufacture which in this case is Rolls Royce
which is in the UK. The club/Verein is swiss resident, the vehicle will be owned by the club but is not going to be used in Switzerland but shipped direct from the manufacture to US. Which it doesn't need registration in Switzerland cause it won't be in Switzerland. The goal is to obtain the manufactures certificate of origin and bill of sale and factory invoice etc in the name of the Verein not a dealership.
^^This bit.

Where will the vehicle be registered? On what numberplates? Using which insurance?
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Old 17.02.2015, 10:20
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I know I have to go to the manufacture which in this case is Rolls Royce
which is in the UK. The club/Verein is swiss resident, the vehicle will be owned by the club but is not going to be used in Switzerland but shipped direct from the manufacture to US. Which it doesn't need registration in Switzerland cause it won't be in Switzerland. The goal is to obtain the manufactures certificate of origin and bill of sale and factory invoice etc in the name of the Verein not a dealership.
So you want a US plated car owned by a swiss entity.

Not going to happen. Even within the EU, if you do not have residence in the country, you can't have the car officially registered to you within the respective country.


Example with random countries:

I live in Italy, I want to buy German car and drive it to Spain. I can't register it in Spain or Germany. I can have German export plates for up to a year and drive it everywhere I please, but after that I have to register it in Italy because that's where I have residence.


Similarly -and even more so- you can't have a Swiss entity own something in Switzerland and register it in the States. The entity is not registered in the US, hence there can be no US car registration for said entity.

What you're trying to do is not possible.



Also can you please describe as simply as possible what's your purpose of this formulation? Are you trying to get a better price, avoid some import/registration tax? What is the endgame here?
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Old 17.02.2015, 10:22
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What's so fishy?
Will you be using HSBC or one of it's Swiss subsidiaries to handle the finances?
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Total nonsense.

Tom
It's not ask your tax authority who owns the vehicle legal title
meaning they have legal claim to the property if you don't pay
yearly tax. All property registered in any country usually has a yearly
tax attached to it. If you can't pay the tax owed they have right to claim the
property and take it. Just think about it if you dont register they have no claim.

This only applies to my situation no one else's.

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Will you be using HSBC or one of it's Swiss subsidiaries to handle the finances?
If I can get an account with them, why do you ask?
The bank used to buy the car is not an issue as the club has
US bank accounts, we still require a Swiss bank account for
making payments in francs and investments.

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Old 17.02.2015, 10:32
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All property registered in any country usually has a yearly tax attached to it. If you can't pay the tax owed they have right to claim the property and take it.
Doesn't work that way in Switzerland.

If you don't pay, they take away the plates, not the vehicle.

And the person registering it doesn't have to be the owner, either.

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So you want a US plated car owned by a swiss entity.

Not going to happen. Even within the EU, if you do not have residence in the country, you can't have the car officially registered to you within the respective country.


Example with random countries:

I live in Italy, I want to buy German car and drive it to Spain. I can't register it in Spain or Germany. I can have German export plates for up to a year and drive it everywhere I please, but after that I have to register it in Italy because that's where I have residence.


Similarly -and even more so- you can't have a Swiss entity own something in Switzerland and register it in the States. The entity is not registered in the US, hence there can be no US car registration for said entity.

What you're trying to do is not possible.


Also can you please describe as simply as possible what's your purpose of this formulation? Are you trying to get a better price, avoid some import/registration tax? What is the endgame here?
Why can't a swiss entity own it, I think you are mistaken, ask you think it needs
to be registered, it doesn't. The car will not be used in Switzerland ever, there's no need to register it. You let me worry about when it gets to US, there a way to
drive here without registering.

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Doesn't work that way in Switzerland.

If you don't pay, they take away the plates, not the vehicle.

And the person registering it doesn't have to be the owner, either.

Tom
Yes they will take your vehicle away eventually after years of back tax
for it. They take away the plates so you can't drive it, what's the point
to have the car if you can't drive it. Say they took your plates and you waited
5years to pay the back tax, there's interest etc and you couldn't drive it for five years you get the point.

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Why can't a swiss entity own it, I think you are mistaken, ask you think it needs to be registered, it doesn't. The car will not be used in Switzerland ever, there's no need to register it. You let me worry about when it gets to US, there a way to drive here without registering.
You give your location as Schwyz, yet your Freudian slip seems to suggest otherwise ....... "Morning, girls" .....

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Yes they will take your vehicle away eventually after years of back tax
for it. They take away the plates so you can't drive it, what's the point
to have the car if you can't drive it. Say they took your plates and you waited
5years to pay the back tax, there's interest etc and you couldn't drive it for five years you get the point.
If you're so knowledgeable, why are you asking us morons, then?

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Yes they will take your vehicle away eventually after years of back tax for it.
No, they won't, as there will never be years of back taxes to pay.

No plates, no taxes to pay.

At most, there will be a couple months of taxes to pay, they won't wait years to take the plates.

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Doesn't work that way in Switzerland.

If you don't pay, they take away the plates, not the vehicle.

And the person registering it doesn't have to be the owner, either.

Tom
Owe and I don't mean just back tax on the car it could be any tax you
owe, registering property makes it liable to claims. There's ways around things if you know your way around. So to be clear do I need a dealers license to buy a car from manufactures, in US only car dealers can buy from manufactures.
The question is does the Verien need a liscense from Swiss authority to buy
car from manufactures. Not to confuse with car dealer hope that makes sense.

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You give your location as Schwyz, yet your Freudian slip seems to suggest otherwise ....... "Morning, girls" .....
Yes Schwyz is the club domicile, I'm in US.
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If you're so knowledgeable, why are you asking us morons, then?
Cause I thought this forum gave advice from a swiss perspective.

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Owe and I don't mean just back tax on the car it could be any tax you
owe, registering property makes it liable to claims.
Nope its the debt that makes you liable. The simple owning of property is enough for it to eventually be "taken" in order to clear your debt.

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So to be clear do I need a dealers license to buy a car from manufactures, in US only car dealers can buy from manufactures. The question is does the Verien need a liscense from Swiss authority to buy car from manufactures. Not to confuse with car dealer hope that makes sense.
In Switzerland the answer is no. But you want to buy from a British Manufacturer so check the laws/requirments in the UK.
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I know I have to go to the manufacture which in this case is Rolls Royce which is in the UK.
This is bullshit, it's a well known fact Rolls Royce don't deal with monkeys
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What legal title, what car ownership document, what the hell are you talking about? No such thing exists in Switzerland. From point of sale, ownership transfer, and ownership itself, a car by Swiss law is the same a watch, a sofa, or a fridge. There is absolutely no legal required document that shows who owns a car in Switzerland. (Not to be confused with the registration document which states the holder of the car)

To prove me wrong, point out the law and name Article or §:
https://www.zh.ch/internet/de/rechtl...n/gesetze.html
http://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifie.../national.html


Question: What do you intend to do with the car, and why do you need a Verein, and this crazy way do get a car?
I assume to safe money. But how? Why would you spend more without this scheme? And why do you think you will spend less with a Verein?
I think you have many misconceptions that will bite you in the ass at the end.

Please explain, step by step, how you would do it w/o a Verein and were you have to pay what. And then again do the same for the process with a Verein. So far nobody can follow your twisted thoughts.
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