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Do you even know what taxes are? Where they come from and who they apply to? Think about your nations debt and maybe you understand what taxes are.
Yes, I do. Do you? How do you think the roads that you're going to be driving that RR on get build and maintained? So, why don't you just pay your taxes?

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Thanks for the advice as that's all I was asking was if I need it or not but still haven't really gotten an legal or lawful answer, if there's any laws please feel free to point me in the right direction.
Dude. NO. There are NO legal issues in SWITZERLAND with buying a car direct from the manufacturer. But that's not what you are doing. You are buying a car for the US, not for Switzerland.

Anyway, it is the MANUFACTURER that decides who they want to sell to. ASK them if you can do what you want.
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I'm not sure why you keep asking the same question? Are you expecting a different answer?

Swiss dealers just purchase from the car manufacturere they have a business contract with and import the cars.. They pay import duty etc. but do not have a special license for the purchase of cars.

If a UK Manufacturer requires a special license, it's entirely within the realms of possibility that that license is in fact issued by the UK...
Some manufacturers have their own importer (BMW and MERBAG); some have licenced a 3rd party as the importer (AMAG and Emil Frey); some limited production companies use specific dealers (ABT, Autobritt, Heidegger). These cars are Swiss supplied and will be supported by the dealer network.

There are also grey import companies - who will buy in bulk in another market and then import (Auto Discount User, Auto Scheiss).

I would suspect that Rolls-Royces are imported via BMW.

If you go and buy a Jaguar (for example) the dealer raises the order with the importer - who then raises it with the factory. The car is built and then shipped to Emil Frey in Safenwil. The car is dispatched to the supplying dealer, inspected, repaired, tested and then delivered to the customer.

This is the same process if you ordered a BMW (for example) in the UK. The dealer (Hexagon for example) raises the order with the importer - who then raises it to the manufacturer.

Sauber was used by BMW to run its "factory" F1 team. BMW Switzerland AG created special "bling" versions of the 135i - Sauber edition. Basically a 135i M-Sport dipped in BMW Performance parts (brakes, steering wheel, wheels etc). Each BMW dealer was forced to take at least 1.
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You need to know the difference between dealer and manufacture to get
what I'm saying.
You have to explain why it is so effing important to get a car from a manufacture and why you need this "manufacture certificate of origin". As said from Swiss point of view it is absolutely irrelevant where I buy a new car from. But it helps and makes things simpler when it comes with a CoC, which may not be the case by a self built Caterham. But that is not what you are looking for.

PS: It is absolutely simple to import any car into Switzerland. Not much paperwork is needed, as all cars imported are taxed solely on value and CO2 emission. Origin does not mater.

PPS: You are aware the DOT and ECE regulations are not compatible with each other?

PPS: Nowhere is your MCO listed. And as a RR is not made in any of the NAFTA countries a certificate of origin is also not needed. You simply pay the 2.5% import tax on the car. A correct bill of sale serves as proof of owner ship.
http://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/fil...0the%20U.S.pdf
https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/det...-vehicle-parts
http://www.cbp.gov/trade/basic-impor.../importing-car
https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/det...r-into-the-u.s.

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if there's any laws please feel free to point me in the right direction.
I can not point you do any Swiss law that does not exists.

So point me to the U.S. law that hinders you.
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Old 17.02.2015, 12:40
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Re: Car Dealer license

It might be relevant to post your question on this "US in UK" forum, http://www.uk-yankee.com/
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This is bullshit, it's a well known fact Rolls Royce don't deal with monkeys
You should be careful with your words of choice!
It is a well known fact that freedom of contract includes the freedom with whom to make a contract in the first place. RR or any other car manufacture can simply deny to sell you a car and point you to the nearest dealer. Except local law in the manufactures country states that they have to sell to an entity which fulfills certain criteria. But you will not find anything about that in Swiss law.
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Re: Car Dealer license

I don't think there's a certificate of ownership for vehicles in switzerland. But if you're buying in the UK it's a UK matter.

There's no car dealership license either i think, any person or firm can buy and sell vehicles, even supermarkets do in some countries, if you want to buy from a manufacturer that's a matter between you and the manufacturer that's why you have to ask them.

Anyway whatever this is for i thought there was a 25 year import ban in the US for euro-spec cars.
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I don't think there's a certificate of ownership for vehicles in switzerland. But if you're buying in the UK it's a UK matter.

There's no car dealership license either i think, any person or firm can buy and sell vehicles, even supermarkets do in some countries, if you want to buy from a manufacturer that's a matter between you and the manufacturer that's why you have to ask them.

Anyway whatever this is for i thought there was a 25 year import ban in the US for euro-spec cars.
The certificate comes from the manufacture, most people don't even know it exist, most people finance or lease a car. And those that do buy a car staight out
cash still don't see the certificate cause they register the car for you, which you should not let them do it. It's the true ownership for the car, when you title/register it you if bought a car cash and got it would see it has the dealers name on it here in US, but you say in swiss any one can buy from manufactures
and have the certificate in their natural person name of legal person name?
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Old 18.02.2015, 08:34
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Re: Car Dealer license

Are you talking about a "Certificate of Origin"? Which is issued when something is exported?

The thing is, we here on EF believe you are up to something dodgy. You are trying to put together some convuluted way of bringing an asset from the UK (via a Swiss entity) to the US - and neither have it registered in Switzerland nor the US.

Individual(s) (US domiciles?) will be members of the Swiss entity and pay rent for use of the aforementioned asset.

You have continually avoided stating why you can't purchase directly from an approved Rolls-Royce dealer in the US, you have mentioned on numerous occasions the results of unpaid taxes and haven't provided a clear legal case on why you would want to pursue this convoluted purchase.

From the information you have posted you are, at the very least attempting to defraud the CPD (a crime in itself) as well as sheltering assets away from the IRS in case of bankruptcy.
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You need to look in the bottom of the banana box old chap, i'm sure there'll be one their.

You might strike lucky and find one in a bag of peanuts too
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The certificate comes from the manufacture, most people don't even know it exist, most people finance or lease a car. And those that do buy a car staight out
cash still don't see the certificate cause they register the car for you
Bullshit.

I bought a vehicle directly from the manufacturer (cash), all I got was a bill of sale.

I had to import and register it myself.

You have no clue what you're talking about (nor does anyone reading your BS), and your English is poor at best.

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Re: Car Dealer license

To understand this Nutcrack of a Nutter's Nutcase, you have to read http://home.hiwaay.net/~becraft/MCOs.htm

Now to Mr. SEIGNEUR
Are you hard in hearing reading?

Please listen/read:

An MCO is a NAFTA document. Going to RR in UK and asking for one may give you the same puzzled looks you got from us here. This is Europe where we call a quarter pounder with cheese a cheese burger royal, and we can order beer at McD, we can even drink it on the street. (Anyone else been at the ewz.Stadtkino yesternight?).

As said before in most European countries, and specially in Switzerland, a car is like a fridge, a watch, a toothbrush, a sofa, from point of owner ship and sale. There is no separate title or written proof of ownership. It just does not exists because there is no such law which mandates such a thing. It is like asking if it is legal in Europe to cut down a sequoia grove.

No going back to the U.S. you have a clear misconception about MCO, title, and ownership. Which, unless I literally beat the shit out of you with the a book of law from your state, and then finish you of with the U.S. federal code, will remain firmly assured in your imagination.

I asked you before and do it one last time: Cite your relevant U.S. federal and state law. As already linked by me, for importation the CBP needs only a proof of ownership, which is for ex. a bill of sales.
As an example here the Virginia process for registering an imported vehicle: http://www.dmv.state.va.us/vehicles/...g_imported.asp
But, it lists as well as the CBP : "proof that the vehicle complies with federal motor vehicle safety requirements." This is called a COC and is normally part of the MCO.

PS: You know that you must hold your Verein's annual general assembly in Switzerland to be on the safe side. Otherwise, you risk that your Verein will be disbanded?
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Old 18.02.2015, 11:13
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.....But, it lists as well as the CBP : "proof that the vehicle complies with federal motor vehicle safety requirements." This is called a COC and is normally part of the MCO.........
COC = Certificated of Conformity

In Switzerland a non-homologated vehicle (IE individual/limited imports) will be issued one and should be kept in the vehicle at all times. It contains information relating to a specific chassis number (VIN) and includes: emissions, noise, wheel sizes, tyre sizes, etc etc. (Mine is double sided A4).
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Well, at least Friday came early ..... and has lasted several days.
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COC = Certificated of Conformity

In Switzerland a non-homologated vehicle (IE individual/limited imports) will be issued one and should be kept in the vehicle at all times.
I keep a photocopy, single sided A4, but I've never been asked to show it when controlled by the cops.

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Well, at least Friday came early ..... and has lasted several days weeks.
FTFY.

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I keep a photocopy, single sided A4, but I've never been asked to show it when controlled by the cops.

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You get stopped? Do they not know who you are?
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You get stopped? Do they not know who you are?
Psssssssssst........idiot, it's so they can get autograph "for the kids" of course
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You get stopped? Do they not know who you are?
Actually, several cops do.

And they recognize my bike(s).

Usually, it's just to say hi.

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Psssssssssst........idiot, it's so they can get autograph "for the kids" of course
I've already got one.
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Re: Car Dealer license

What are you looking for?

If you are trying to avoid paying duty on the car because it was made in the EU then you need a certificate of origin. This is nothing to do with who owns the.car nor where nor through which intermediatary you bought the car. You can buy through a dealer and still ask the manufacturer for a certificate of origin.

Most people don't bother with the CoO because it is more hassle than the duty owed. I can imagine with a RR it might be worth the hassle.... But how this helps you re: the U.S....?

do you really know what you are doing?
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What are you looking for?

If you are trying to avoid paying duty on the car because it was made in the EU then you need a certificate of origin. This is nothing to do with who owns the.car nor where nor through which intermediatary you bought the car. You can buy through a dealer and still ask the manufacturer for a certificate of origin.

Most people don't bother with the CoO because it is more hassle than the duty owed. I can imagine with a RR it might be worth the hassle.... But how this helps you re: the U.S....?

do you really know what you are doing?
That's a rhetorical question i presume ?
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