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any one familiar with small kind of printing business ?

i have a plan to start a small size printing and designing business ,are there any one here with knowledge about printing machines ?ex - to print out flyers , business cards ,notices ,etc .please if any one know ,share some ideas with me
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i have a plan to start a small size printing and designing business ,are there any one here with knowledge about printing machines ?ex - to print out flyers , business cards ,notices ,etc .please if any one know ,share some ideas with me
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I worked in the printing trade for a while in the US, and I know a press operator in central Switzerland. That doesn't make me an expert, but my pressman acquaintance recently confirmed my suspicion that things are getting pretty competitive. Newer (e.g., digital) technologies are putting smaller shops and those based on older technologies under pressure or out of business, and while print media isn't vanishing completely, demand is steadily, if slowly, shrinking.

To succeed in starting a new printing business, I think you would need to know your market (Winterthur? Kanton Zürich?) very, very well, and have a viable business plan with a budget that allows you — as affordably as possible — to be somewhere near the leading edge of today's technology, in order to stay viable for the future. If your market research doesn't clearly indicate that there's room for another printer, I'd think twice about going forward.

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I worked in the printing trade for a while in the US, and I know a press operator in central Switzerland. That doesn't make me an expert, but my pressman acquaintance recently confirmed my suspicion that things are getting pretty competitive. Newer (e.g., digital) technologies are putting smaller shops and those based on older technologies under pressure or out of business, and while print media isn't vanishing completely, demand is steadily, if slowly, shrinking.

To succeed in starting a new printing business, I think you would need to know your market (Winterthur? Kanton Zürich?) very, very well, and have a viable business plan with a budget that allows you — as affordably as possible — to be somewhere near the leading edge of today's technology, in order to stay viable for the future. If your market research doesn't clearly indicate that there's room for another printer, I'd think twice about going forward.

Hope that helps.
thank you for replay. and im a designer and most times my clan asking me to print out also.there are some online big printing companies ,i can use them ,but if i buy a small printing machine for me,then i can save some more . that's y i think to start it .but at the same time im working on another company as full time .but that's not related to printing . im gonna do this as a part time .i have searched on net for the printing machines,i don't know which one is perfect for me .because im mostly looking for print flyers ,business cards ,some posters like A5 size ,and some small kind of print only.do you know any digital machines for those purpose ?
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...do you know any digital machines for those purpose ?
Sorry, I can't help you there. I haven't been hands-on in production in years, least of all in Switzerland. Best get directly in touch with folks currently working with newer technologies.
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For the kind of printing products you list as well as for short run work which apparently it would be you need an offset printing machine. They can be bought second-hand and are usually perfectly usable. You'll probably need A3 size but A4 plate sizes can also be had. You can, at the beginning have your printing plates made outside. You'll also need a guillotine to cut the products to the finished sizes and a number of small ancillary machines - to bore holes, round corners, number - and so on. . Plenty of small businesses started on a shoestring, the rest is hard work and luck. You'll also need plenty of water and a building/room conforming to fire regulations.The best way to keep your head above water is to get hold of a regular publication, maybe from your Gemeinde or a local firm or sports club and use this as a base. A one-man set-up can be quite competitive. It's salaries which cause high costs.
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Re: any one familiar with small kind of printing business ?

Seriously, to start a printing company in the way you discribe your vision is like starting a company that makes buggy whips, rumble seats and slide rules.
Small offset is on the way out and even the shops offering speciality printing are going titsup in favor of student run digital printing shops where you can get any kind of print you want for pennys, then there are the
online places where you can buy print for even less.
Sorry to burst your bubble but in my opinion your best bet is to get customers and have thier stuff printed and collect a comission, you can´t even get a cheap laser printer to print on a economic scale as you will pay more for the toner than you will make in profit.
Then, it´s not just the printingmachine, frontend computer, application software, RIP software, imposition software, proofing software etc. but the licencing is gonna cost you oodles of CHuff´s, adobes policy of cloud licences are gonna cost you monthly and if you don´t cough up, well think mafia only not as kind.
Binding, finishing, the list is endlesssssssssssss... and the nasty part is that small offset is just as tech heavy as large volume offset but without the money.
It´s not just your dream that made my skin crawl but your naivity, if you have to ask those kind of questions then you are out of your league by far, just because you know how to make Photoshop rock doesn´t mean you can print, not by a long shot, there is so much more.
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adobes policy of cloud licences...
…turns my stomach. (I'm still on the lookout for a copy of the last pre-cloud suite, as I refuse to go the cloud route.)
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The cloud is evil, could be something Stephen King would write about, like "Quark and the Adobe cloud vampire" but seriously, Quark is making a comeback with a smug smile and Gimp is almost but not quite entirely unlike Photoshop.
Yes I get it, Adobe's finest is the most widely pirated software in the known universe, but to strong-arm everybody into the cloud like that without any provision for non professionals is not the way forward in my humble opinion.
It's in the code of honorable printing:
If you want a 'ware and plan to make money with it, buy it, if you need a ware and can't afford it, get a old version or rent, if you can't afford it and are not making money off it, crack the bugger.
Thing is most of us became proficient with *ahem* "borrowed" Software but bought the licenses as soon as we could the hassle of keeping "borrowed" software running is simply uneconomic, updates are a nightmare too.

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…turns my stomach. (I'm still on the lookout for a copy of the last pre-cloud suite, as I refuse to go the cloud route.)
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Re: any one familiar with small kind of printing business ?

well ... i think better keep going on with my designing only after seeking your replays .thanks all .better i use online printing companies if i need .is it correct ?of course i have 0 knowledge about printers .but in designing side is ok for me .

before than , just wanna know about this printer . any one know ?

Xerox Phaser 5550V/DX (Laser/LED, Duplex printing) new price is - 10 214.– fr
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Phaser 5550, no longer built, a greyscale toner based printer, ever since Xerox bought the rights to Tektronix all the halfway decent printers have been called a "Phaser" and Tektronix only called them "Phasers" 'cos they were a load of trekkies, so don't be fooled by the way they made the name fit.
The 5550 is at it's most economical at around 300.000 to 500.000 prints/month, and is regarded as a fast network printer for groups of 30 to 50 users, toner will cost around 140€'s a cartridge for around 30.000 prints at a 5% coverage then after (in the brochure) 30.000 prints you gonna be looking at a new drum and fixer unit.
And as it is grayscale (black and white) you can't send the prints through a color laser for that likkle itty bit of color because then your fused to the paper toner will un-fuse with the heat and you will get smudge.
Smudge is Ikk!
I's not what I would call a "Printers" printer it needs a high volume to be economical and run at 6 cents a page, so unless you have around 400.000 prints/month I would be very careful, then of course at 400.000 you are gonna have a eye watering maintenance bill every six months (Slammer was a Tektronix/Xerox/Konica/Agfa engineer) and it is a case of normal (silver) maintenance, you gonna waiiiiiiiiit, then gold maintenance, (money talks) Platinum maintenance, (sucker)
Oce have some things you may want to look into, HP start where the Phaser ends, I would be looking at something with Konica Minolta on the label but like the Phaser they are most economical at 300.000 prints per month at 5% coverage upwards.
Be very wary of used units, full logbook, no gaps and get the maintenance records from the company.
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Phaser 5550, no longer built, a greyscale toner based printer, ever since Xerox bought the rights to Tektronix all the halfway decent printers have been called a "Phaser" and Tektronix only called them "Phasers" 'cos they were a load of trekkies, so don't be fooled by the way they made the name fit.
The 5550 is at it's most economical at around 300.000 to 500.000 prints/month, and is regarded as a fast network printer for groups of 30 to 50 users, toner will cost around 140€'s a cartridge for around 30.000 prints at a 5% coverage then after (in the brochure) 30.000 prints you gonna be looking at a new drum and fixer unit.
And as it is grayscale (black and white) you can't send the prints through a color laser for that likkle itty bit of color because then your fused to the paper toner will un-fuse with the heat and you will get smudge.
Smudge is Ikk!
I's not what I would call a "Printers" printer it needs a high volume to be economical and run at 6 cents a page, so unless you have around 400.000 prints/month I would be very careful, then of course at 400.000 you are gonna have a eye watering maintenance bill every six months (Slammer was a Tektronix/Xerox/Konica/Agfa engineer) and it is a case of normal (silver) maintenance, you gonna waiiiiiiiiit, then gold maintenance, (money talks) Platinum maintenance, (sucker)
Oce have some things you may want to look into, HP start where the Phaser ends, I would be looking at something with Konica Minolta on the label but like the Phaser they are most economical at 300.000 prints per month at 5% coverage upwards.
Be very wary of used units, full logbook, no gaps and get the maintenance records from the company.


thank you brov for the review about this printer .hope this printer one also not gonna help me for my purpose.
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I bet you are totally confused now kosalan. As far as I can see all you want is to set up a small jobbing press, keep your earned money (instead of giving it away by outsourcing), and get your investment back. Even today in this hitech age there is still room for hard work and low investment.
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I bet you are totally confused now kosalan. As far as I can see all you want is to set up a small jobbing press, keep your earned money (instead of giving it away by outsourcing), and get your investment back. Even today in this hitech age there is still room for hard work and low investment.
you got my point .of course i wanted to make a small set up in my home .as i said its just for a part time ,and im working in another company for 100 % .but its not related to printing .i just wanted a printer which i can use to print business cards , flyers .because im getting lot of those kind of oders (flyers,business cards).if i got orders for banner and etc , i can use online printing companies . i have no skills about printers, but in designing side im fit .thx mann to your replay
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