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Re: Practicing counseling in Zurich with U.S. credentials

Arincoc, perhaps one place to start would be to get in touch with the pastors at the International Protestant Church in Zürich:

http://www.ipc-zurich.org

I believe the senior pastor is an American, so he might be more familiar with your background, might be better placed than we are to offer you insights.
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IF anyone is interested...

What is counseling/what does a counselor do?
http://www.counseling.org/aca-commun...eling/overview

What is biblical counseling?
http://www.ccef.org/

What kind of training arincoc received?
http://files.wts.edu/uploads/images/...15_Catalog.pdf
-> page 95-99
Mmmmm ...... self justification, methinks - not good.

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Arincoc, perhaps one place to start would be to get in touch with the pastors at the International Protestant Church in Zürich:

http://www.ipc-zurich.org

I believe the senior pastor is an American, so he might be more familiar with your background, might be better placed than we are to offer you insights.
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Anyone know a good counsellor?
Hi, TiMow.

I am just wondering... why there is a passing of a judgment when my post was simply a response to those who asked the questions?

I am sorry if I am misinterpretating your comment, but I am little bummed right now because someone will judge me to be arrogant for not explaining enough another person will judge me to be self-justifying for explaining too much? Isn't this forum about exchanging information and helping each other? I simply asked a question to get some helpful information, not to justify my education or career to the public. I provided extra information since many people seemed to be wanting clarifications about where I was coming from.

I truly appreciate all the effort to offer me tips, facts, and advices, but not sarcastic and condescending remarks. I wouldn't normally even react to these things, but I just learned that I need to thoroughly explain myself here not to confuse anyone.

My apology if you meant it in some helpful way.
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Re: Practicing counseling in Zurich with U.S. credentials

Hi Arincoc,

Thanks for your explanations, they were helpful. I was not aware that your field of activity existed as a regular study at master level- interesting.

I like the idea of having around in CH counselors with christian background and there may be a good market for your offer behind: beyond christian believers, who probably would welcome a formal and biblical approach, your counseling may tune in well also for non believers, since christian ethics are the base of many European cultures.

If you read some older posts you will see that condescending remarks are not unusual here.- my tip (which I find hard to apply myself!) is to focus on the helpful replies, and/or extract the helpful bits and pieces. Actually Slammer's irreverent assertion 'Just leave the happy clappy stuff out' is quite good advice, just need to be rephrased: to offer your services to the average non-believer, christian-rooted-culture European, you may wish to skip references to the bible or christian rites and focus on the ethical principles behind.

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Hi, TiMow.

I am just wondering... why there is a passing of a judgment when my post was simply a response to those who asked the questions?

I am sorry if I am misinterpretating your comment, but I am little bummed right now because someone will judge me to be arrogant for not explaining enough another person will judge me to be self-justifying for explaining too much? Isn't this forum about exchanging information and helping each other? I simply asked a question to get some helpful information, not to justify my education or career to the public. I provided extra information since many people seemed to be wanting clarifications about where I was coming from.

I truly appreciate all the effort to offer me tips, facts, and advices, but not sarcastic and condescending remarks. I wouldn't normally even react to these things, but I just learned that I need to thoroughly explain myself here not to confuse anyone.

My apology if you meant it in some helpful way.
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Hi Arincoc,

Thanks for your explanations, they were helpful. I was not aware that your field of activity existed as a regular study at master level- interesting.

I like the idea of having around in CH counselors with christian background and there may be a good market for your offer behind: beyond christian believers, who probably would welcome a formal and biblical approach, your counseling may tune in well also for non believers, since christian ethics are the base of many European cultures.

If you read some older posts you will see that condescending remarks are not unusual here.- my tip (which I find hard to apply myself!) is to focus on the helpful replies, and/or extract the helpful bits and pieces. Actually Slammer's irreverent assertion 'Just leave the happy clappy stuff out' is quite good advice, just need to be rephrased: to offer your services to the average non-believer, christian-rooted-culture European, you may wish to skip references to the bible or christian rites and focus on the ethical principles behind.

Good luck!
Thank you for your comment and suggestion. I certainly did not expect the word "biblical" would attract such contention, the word "counseling" to cause such confusion, or the fact that my Master's is in this field... Good to know.
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Re: Practicing counseling in Zurich with U.S. credentials

http://www.psychotherapie-gyurina.ch/html/faq1.html

Now I understand why so many became "suspicious"...

Switzerland
Master's in Psychotherapy means 4-5 years of training. Psychotherapist is such a person who has the training and certification. Psychologists are those who have no clinical training, but with education within the field of psychology, thus can't provide psychotherapy.

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Maters's in Counseling/Marriage & Family Therapy means 2 years of training. Licensed Counselor/Therapist is such a person who has the training PLUS 2-3 years of experience in the field, verified by the state. Psychologists are those who have 5-6 years of training and licensed by the state to provide psychotherapy.
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Re: Practicing counseling in Zurich with U.S. credentials

To the OP - The passive-aggressive personal attacks in this thread pretty much sums up what it's like to live here, happiest country in the world my ass!

and to slammer - the only person who comes off as an arrogant d*ck in this thread is you.

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http://www.psychotherapie-gyurina.ch/html/faq1.html

Now I understand why so many became "suspicious"...

Switzerland
Master's in Psychotherapy means 4-5 years of training. Psychotherapist is such a person who has the training and certification. Psychologists are those who have no clinical training, but with education within the field of psychology, thus can't provide psychotherapy.

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Maters's in Counseling/Marriage & Family Therapy means 2 years of training. Licensed Counselor/Therapist is such a person who has the training PLUS 2-3 years of experience in the field, verified by the state. Psychologists are those who have 5-6 years of training and licensed by the state to provide psychotherapy.
Honestly: A lot of people are very critical about psychology and psychotherapy in general. They don't worry weather you went 3 or 4 years to a school... but what that school is about. No offense, but you are aware that psychoanalysis is pretty much universally accepted to be a pseudo science... an most Europeans don't believe that you can fix a brain by talking to somebody who probably did not get into medical school. If you then add the for European standards rather extreme American style of Christianity into the mix will many Europeans be rather critical about you and your profession.

I am not writing this to piss you off in any way, but as honest advice - be aware of the cultural differences so you can predict negative feedback and be less caught off guard when it comes. Because it will.
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Honestly: A lot of people are very critical about psychology and psychotherapy in general. They don't worry weather you went 3 or 4 years to a school... but what that school is about. No offense, but you are aware that psychoanalysis is pretty much universally accepted to be a pseudo science... an most Europeans don't believe that you can fix a brain by talking to somebody who probably did not get into medical school. If you then add the for European standards rather extreme American style of Christianity into the mix will many Europeans be rather critical about you and your profession.

I am not writing this to piss you off in any way, but as honest advice - be aware of the cultural differences so you can predict negative feedback and be less caught off guard when it comes. Because it will.
Fair enough.

Surely, the whole discipline of mental health and how to best treat individuals in psychological distress is ever-evolving and has progressed in the past 100 years from Freudian psychoanalysis to current medical model. So, there have been many different theories about understanding and helping people and not everyone necessarily agree on which is the best way.

But, when you disagree with others (or, when you inquire what others' are about because it's something new/different), one can still be respectful. While I appreciate your effort to explain why there has been so many negative feedbacks, I don't think it justify the attitude and tones.

Lastly, psychology/psychotherapy/counseling does not equal psychoanalysis. And, those who are in the field do not try to "fix" people's brain. I would doubt any psychiatrist with medical training would claim that they can "fix" people's brain because human problem is so much more than just biology and chemistry, although the media and pharmaceutical/insurance companies will certainly promote otherwise.

I won't talk about "extreme American style of Christianity" because I don't want to assume what that means.

Thank you for your advise to be aware of cultural differences. I will be very aware from now on. However, a cultural difference is probably not the only reason why some people choose to make generalized assumptions and be offensive.
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Re: Practicing counseling in Zurich with U.S. credentials

http://psychologie.zhaw.ch/en/ap/study.html

Once you are here, you could make an appointment with them to see how you and your credentials could fit into the Swiss system. You weathered the welcoming storm here quite well :-) Just send an e-mail, they normally are welcoming and helpful.

I study in the same brand new building, but at the University of Arts (ZHdK) which is also housed there, finishing a Masters in Music Pedagogy this term.

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Thank you for the input.



Hi, TiMow.

I am just wondering... why there is a passing of a judgment when my post was simply a response to those who asked the questions?

I am sorry if I am misinterpretating your comment, but I am little bummed right now because someone will judge me to be arrogant for not explaining enough another person will judge me to be self-justifying for explaining too much? Isn't this forum about exchanging information and helping each other? I simply asked a question to get some helpful information, not to justify my education or career to the public. I provided extra information since many people seemed to be wanting clarifications about where I was coming from.

I truly appreciate all the effort to offer me tips, facts, and advices, but not sarcastic and condescending remarks. I wouldn't normally even react to these things, but I just learned that I need to thoroughly explain myself here not to confuse anyone.

My apology if you meant it in some helpful way.
I don't know to which type of forums you are used (if any), but here a fair amount of banter prevails - must be a bi-product of the environment in which we find ourselves.
There are also personal attacks, but less in comparison. It may be better to consider that what you perceive as personal attacks, are probably only banter - better for the psyche than vice-versa.

As someone who professes to be in a position to guide and be emphatic to others, you come across as being somewhat tetchy and defensive - a persona that wont hold you in good stead when you hop across the pond.

However, when it comes to humour quotient, you're probably on a hiding to nothing - being an American, an academic, religious and all touchy-feely.

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But, when you disagree with others (or, when you inquire what others' are about because it's something new/different), one can still be respectful. While I appreciate your effort to explain why there has been so many negative feedbacks, I don't think it justify the attitude and tones.
Have you ever used any internet forum before? This one is rather tame compared to the rest.
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OK, people. Enough of the "welcome to the newbie". I'd say that arincoc has indeed weathered the storm pretty well and earned sufficient credit to be humoured here.

Those posters who feel a natural inclination to react against anything religious/biblical/Christian/fantasist, please look elsewhere for your daily fix. Those who want to provide genuine, helpful advice (with a 'c', the way God intended ), please feel free to assist.

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OK, people. Enough of the "welcome to the newbie". I'd say that arincoc has indeed weathered the storm pretty well and earned sufficient credit to be humoured here.

Those posters who feel a natural inclination to react against anything religious/biblical/Christian/fantasist, please look elsewhere for your daily fix. Those who want to provide genuine, helpful advice (with a 'c', the way God intended ), please feel free to assist.

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To the OP - The passive-aggressive personal attacks in this thread pretty much sums up what it's like to live here, happiest country in the world my ass!

and to slammer - the only person who comes off as an arrogant d*ck in this thread is you.

Have you thought about getting counselling?

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OK, people. Enough of the "welcome to the newbie". I'd say that arincoc has indeed weathered the storm pretty well and earned sufficient credit to be humoured here.

Those posters who feel a natural inclination to react against anything religious/biblical/Christian/fantasist, please look elsewhere for your daily fix. Those who want to provide genuine, helpful advice (with a 'c', the way God intended ), please feel free to assist.

Today's my day to feel warm and fuzzy, for some reason.
By associating "fantasist" with Christian/biblical/religious, you've broken your own directive.
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To the OP - The passive-aggressive personal attacks in this thread pretty much sums up what it's like to live here, happiest country in the world my ass!

and to slammer - the only person who comes off as an arrogant d*ck in this thread is you.

There you go, if you don´t like it in Switzerland...
http://www.zurich-airport.com/passen...res/departures
Pick a country where you can be happy to your hearts content



Now that´s arrogance.
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There you go, if you don´t like it in Switzerland...
http://www.zurich-airport.com/passen...res/departures
Pick a country where you can be happy to your hearts content



Now that´s arrogance.
Oh the country is absolutely amazing - the only problem is people like you
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Oh the country is absolutely amazing - the only problem is people like you
Well you must be overjoyed to learn that I am not in Switzerland.
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