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Old 08.10.2015, 13:02
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Old 08.10.2015, 13:04
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So to clarify - you work long office hours, which would suggest you don't work from home meaning that you will be traveling by public transport (as your complaint is about walking 1.5km you don't have a car). Why not stop at either the COOP or Migros in Adliswil on your way through?

Then I look at the map again - and only if you live up right on the edge of Adliswil (Waldistrasse for example - up at the Wildpark) are you 1.5km away from a shop - at which point it could be argued you go to the Wildpark train station.

It is coming across as you being lazy and inept rather than a failure in coverage by either Migros of Coop
Also, were there no shops when you moved there, and is this in some way reflected in the lower rental or purchase price?

So you got the cheaper place but now think its the Gemeindes job to fix the issues that made it cheap in the first place?
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Old 08.10.2015, 13:07
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Also, were there no shops when you moved there, and is this in some way reflected in the lower rental or purchase price?

So you got the cheaper place but now think its the Gemeindes job to fix the issues that made it cheap in the first place?
Perhaps the OP should ask for a rent reduction as being 15 minutes away from a supermarket (walking) might violate basic human rights.
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It is strange, though, that independent grocery stores seem to be thriving elsewhere in Europe, yet are something of a rare breed in Switzerland.

What is special about the Swiss market that has resulted in this state of affairs?
Simple answer: Lack of grocery wholesalers to sell to independents. Usego, which was about the only one, gave up the wholesale grocery business about 10 years ago.
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Old 08.10.2015, 13:54
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Simple answer: Lack of grocery wholesalers to sell to independents. Usego, which was about the only one, gave up the wholesale grocery business about 10 years ago.
Is it even actually true that there are no independent groceries in Switzerland?

There seem to be quite a few around Zürich.
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Old 08.10.2015, 13:57
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Is it even actually true that there are no independent groceries in Switzerland?

There seem to be quite a few around Zürich.
Here as well.

Anyway, I much prefer that our local independent became a Denner. Much better choice and prices, and great breads!

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Old 08.10.2015, 13:58
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Also, were there no shops when you moved there, and is this in some way reflected in the lower rental or purchase price?
I wouldn't be surprised to hear there is one in the next building but the OP hasn't seen it because it is obscured by a tree which they didn't see when they moved in
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Re: Absence of small shopping outlet in neighbourhood

Technically, Migros Partner and Denner Satellite stores are independently owned, but they buy most or all of the supplies from Migros or Denner (which is 70% owned by Migros).
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Old 08.10.2015, 16:40
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Technically, Migros Partner and Denner Satellite stores are independently owned, but they buy most or all of the supplies from Migros or Denner (which is 70% owned by Migros).
I know that our local one gets supplied by about ten different suppliers, including some local farms, but the biggest is Denner.

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Old 08.10.2015, 18:34
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That's rather a presumptuous statement, don't you think?
How so? (you people as in, the consumer, not the EF member). Otherwise much fewer of them would have gone out of business, or immediately replaced by similar ones.

I live in a town with about 2.5k people and a small but well situated Volg, at best there are two customers simultaneously at the cashier (I usually shop there during rush hour or saturdays, on those rare occasions I do). Yet most everybody seems to buy at the much bigger Aldi, Lidl, Migros, Coop, each of which is much further away for just about all locals (as anecdotally evidenced by how many people I meet there). If not for the very cheap rent (essentially a subsidy by the Gemeinde as it owns the building) it would have closed last year when the previous operators gave up.
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Old 08.10.2015, 18:42
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Here as well.

Anyway, I much prefer that our local independent became a Denner. Much better choice and prices, and great breads!

Tom
One of our local independents has recently become a CRAI - you'd love that (I do)
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Old 08.10.2015, 19:42
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One of our local independents has recently become a CRAI - you'd love that (I do)
There are some (35) in TI, but not around here (but a bunch in Lugano itself), plus 13 affiliates.

Only one outside of TI/GR (only in the Italian speaking bits of GR) according to their site, at La Chaux-de-Fonds.

Their head office is in Riazzino (near Locarno)

CRAI is an Italian chain.

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Re: Absence of small shopping outlet in neighbourhood

Well their site is not up to date then I defo not live in La T'Chaux - it's been open for some time.

I think it is actually Sicilian, but not sure. They have great Sicilian wines.
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Re: Absence of small shopping outlet in neighbourhood

I guess a lot of shops have disappeared because of people rushing over the border to buy cheaper in France or Germany.

Can't have your cake and eat it !!
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Also, were there no shops when you moved there, and is this in some way reflected in the lower rental or purchase price?

So you got the cheaper place but now think its the Gemeindes job to fix the issues that made it cheap in the first place?
Hi Amogles...With due respect - I didn't know while putting this topic that I will be inviting responses from EF members who just enjoy commenting without any respect and thinking..

FYI - We were living pretty close to Migros earlier within Adliswil, but moved here to the new location which is up the hill in Adliswil because of it being a bigger flat (and hence fairly expensive in rent)...

All I said in my original post is "does geminde consider a request to open a local neighborhood shop"...AND, not fix the issues.

Sincere request - though you are stated to be a "forum veteran" - think a couple of times before you put a comment...
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Old 09.10.2015, 02:39
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I wouldn't be surprised to hear there is one in the next building but the OP hasn't seen it because it is obscured by a tree which they didn't see when they moved in
Dodgyken - your profile pic is quite apt (howard wolowitz)....Unfortunately, bad news for you - We didn't miss out on noticing any shop obscured by any tree...but I truly indeed missed out on realizing that EF forum has members like you who just want to write loose comments to a genuine post requesting for insights and knowledgeable feedback (ohhh...I forgot insight & knowledge and Mr. Wolowitz didn't go together)..
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Old 09.10.2015, 09:38
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All I said in my original post is "does geminde consider a request to open a local neighborhood shop".
Of course they will.

Whether or not you will make any money at it is another matter.

And, of course, you will have to choose a location that allows commercial activities, otherwise, no chance.

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There are some (35) in TI, but not around here (but a bunch in Lugano itself), plus 13 affiliates.

Only one outside of TI/GR (only in the Italian speaking bits of GR) according to their site, at La Chaux-de-Fonds.

Their head office is in Riazzino (near Locarno)

CRAI is an Italian chain.

Tom

There used to be an independently owned CRAI in Zch 2 with two outlets which however 2 years ago went bankrupt
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