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Absence of small shopping outlet in neighbourhood

We are living in Adliswil, and we do have the benefits of having a large Migros and a relatively small / medium sized Denner and Coop outlets close to the Bahnhof. The challenge is that for residents like us - Bahnhof is nearly 1.5 KM away (10 / 15 mins walking).

Wondering if the local Geminde considers (proactively / in response to requests of local residents) providing for small time grocery stores to be opened up in different parts of the community such as Adliswil to enable residents benefit from having an outlet within few minutes of walking distance!..

Curious to know EF members' views basis your knowledge / experience.

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Re: Absence of small shopping outlet in neighbourhood

We got used to it

If demand was so high, there probably would have been such a shop already.
Note that Adliswil already has 4 supermarkets. Quite a lot for such a small place. Also, Sihlcity is very close.
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Re: Absence of small shopping outlet in neighbourhood

I suspect that providing a local retail experience, doesn't yet fall under Gemeinde auspices.
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We are living in Adliswil, and we do have the benefits of having a large Migros and a relatively small / medium sized Denner and Coop outlets close to the Bahnhof. The challenge is that for residents like us - Bahnhof is nearly 1.5 KM away (10 / 15 mins walking).

Wondering if the local Geminde considers (proactively / in response to requests of local residents) providing for small time grocery stores to be opened up in different parts of the community such as Adliswil to enable residents benefit from having an outlet within few minutes of walking distance!..

Curious to know EF members' views basis your knowledge / experience.

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I feel for you. Back home I used to get out and find small shops where I could buy something to eat, or drink at the most impossible hours. But here this is such an alien concept...that will never work out (just laughing at the thought of an all night open shawarma place). Just improve your planning and foreseeing abilities when it comes to household consumption...store, store and you'll be fine.
Prepared frozen meals might come in handy one day when you're coming home too late; you know, things like this can save you. A proper fridge/freezer is also a must here.
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Re: Absence of small shopping outlet in neighbourhood

The usual is to commute via public transport and drop past the shops most days to grab a few things you need...

They opened a coop pronto between Wollishofen and Adliswil, which is a bit more convenient if you live in the new development area...

Otherwise, get home delivery for larger amounts...but of course it's not as cheap as Denner, Lidl or Aldi......
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We are living in Adliswil, and we do have the benefits of having a large Migros and a relatively small / medium sized Denner and Coop outlets close to the Bahnhof. The challenge is that for residents like us - Bahnhof is nearly 1.5 KM away (10 / 15 mins walking).

Wondering if the local Geminde considers (proactively / in response to requests of local residents) providing for small time grocery stores to be opened up in different parts of the community such as Adliswil to enable residents benefit from having an outlet within few minutes of walking distance!..

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Aren't there any petrol stations near you that have shops attached, I seem to remember seeing several around Adliswil; maybe not near you
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Re: Absence of small shopping outlet in neighbourhood

That's terrible. Walking for ten or fifteen minutes would sap anyone's strenght. Let's hope it's all on the flat...
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We are living in Adliswil, and we do have the benefits of having a large Migros and a relatively small / medium sized Denner and Coop outlets close to the Bahnhof. The challenge is that for residents like us - Bahnhof is nearly 1.5 KM away (10 / 15 mins walking).

Wondering if the local Geminde considers (proactively / in response to requests of local residents) providing for small time grocery stores to be opened up in different parts of the community such as Adliswil to enable residents benefit from having an outlet within few minutes of walking distance!..

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(Waiting for the complaints about inadequate opening hours of small shops in the neighborhood)

Get a bicycle. Walk. Whatever.
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(Waiting for the complaints about inadequate opening hours of small shops in the neighborhood)
Usually from people who weren't here 10+ years ago. Now THAT was a culture shock

I wonder where the OP is from and what their expectations are and why.
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Old 05.10.2015, 09:44
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Re: Absence of small shopping outlet in neighbourhood

Actually, the closest shop has always been much closer anywhere I've lived here than anywhere I've lived in the US.

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That's terrible. Walking for ten or fifteen minutes would sap anyone's strenght. Let's hope it's all on the flat...
At the same time, with small kids it's very nice indeed to have a shop nearby, within their idea of walking distance, which for the first couple years may be quite different from yours.

Our nearest local shop is about 75m away, a dairy with a small assortment of dry goods and fresh veg. Two minutes' walk for me, with toddlers it's more like ten minutes but we can do it. Or it's a short enough distance that I can still put them both in carriers, one front one back, and off we go.

1.5km is twenty times that distance. These guys certainly can't walk 1.5km, and I doubt I could still wear them both that far either, and there's a bus but I can't wrangle both of them AND my shopping on and off a bus. So we'd have to take the double buggy - which brings its own set of complications to an outing! - or go by car which seems frankly ridiculous for such a short run.

I'm just saying, there are pretty good reasons why someone might long to have a shop closer to their house than 1.5km. But we bought our house with that in mind... I can't imagine we'd get very far asking the Gemeinde to provide one after the fact.
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Actually, the closest shop has always been much closer anywhere I've lived here than anywhere I've lived in the US.

Tom
There are some "arse-end" villages in Ticino that don't have the same level of accessibility compared to the civilised part of Switzerland
There though tend to be the villages which simply elongate up a zig-zag hillside road and where it takes 2km in the car can be 400m walk.

(I'm surprised you didn't highlight that Tom - along with the fact you don't really do public transport properly down there either )

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At the same time, with small kids it's very nice indeed to have a shop nearby, within their idea of walking distance, which for the first couple years may be quite different from yours.

Our nearest local shop is about 75m away, a dairy with a small assortment of dry goods and fresh veg. Two minutes' walk for me, with toddlers it's more like ten minutes but we can do it. Or it's a short enough distance that I can still put them both in carriers, one front one back, and off we go.
Give it a few months and you can put them in reins - slap on rollerblades and they can tow you husky style to the shops - assuming you can get them both to walk in the same direction at the same time!!
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There are some "arse-end" villages in Ticino that don't have the same level of accessibility compared to the civilised part of Switzerland
There though tend to be the villages which simply elongate up a zig-zag hillside road and where it takes 2km in the car can be 400m walk.

(I'm surprised you didn't highlight that Tom - along with the fact you don't really do public transport properly down there either )
Still closer than some places I've lived in the states, where the local shops were 4+ miles away!

Of course, everyone has cars there, as they do in Ticino!

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Of course, everyone has 4 cars and 17 motorbikes there, as they do in Ticino!

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Surely you meant that?
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Re: Absence of small shopping outlet in neighbourhood

We've got a general store/bakery/tea room/post office and that's it. Not quite a km away, but it is uphill from here. I can manage it now, but when I get even older?
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Re: Absence of small shopping outlet in neighbourhood

Wouldn't it be cool if Migros had mobile grocery stores operating out of the back of little trucks?

I bet they've never thought of that!
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Wouldn't it be cool if Migros had mobile grocery stores operating out of the back of little trucks?

I bet they've never thought of that!
What a ludicrous idea. Next you suggest they should drive up to remote mountain villages like Mund, Juf, or Sternenberg?
(Alltough Juf has a small shop, so has many have many "arse-end" villages in Ticino like Bosco Gurin, Fusio, Corona, Brione)
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At the same time, with small kids it's very nice indeed to have a shop nearby, within their idea of walking distance, which for the first couple years may be quite different from yours.

Our nearest local shop is about 75m away, a dairy with a small assortment of dry goods and fresh veg. Two minutes' walk for me, with toddlers it's more like ten minutes but we can do it. Or it's a short enough distance that I can still put them both in carriers, one front one back, and off we go.

1.5km is twenty times that distance. These guys certainly can't walk 1.5km, and I doubt I could still wear them both that far either, and there's a bus but I can't wrangle both of them AND my shopping on and off a bus. So we'd have to take the double buggy - which brings its own set of complications to an outing! - or go by car which seems frankly ridiculous for such a short run.

I'm just saying, there are pretty good reasons why someone might long to have a shop closer to their house than 1.5km. But we bought our house with that in mind... I can't imagine we'd get very far asking the Gemeinde to provide one after the fact.

Town planners be aware. Please leave room every 500 sq meters for a shop, a wide enough road for delivery lorries to enter and leave, plus a turning space so that they don't peeps when backing up after delivering in the small hours of the morning.
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What a ludicrous idea. Next you suggest they should drive up to remote mountain villages like Mund, Juf, or Sternenberg?
(Alltough Juf has a small shop, so has many have many "arse-end" villages in Ticino like Bosco Gurin, Fusio, Corona, Brione)
I just wish some of the farmers would sell their own produce from small sheds - and just have an honesty box.
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The usual is to commute via public transport and drop past the shops most days to grab a few things you need...

They opened a coop pronto between Wollishofen and Adliswil, which is a bit more convenient if you live in the new development area...

Otherwise, get home delivery for larger amounts...but of course it's not as cheap as Denner, Lidl or Aldi......

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