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Re: Hiring myself... what steps do I need to do in which order?

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is that legal? Why would anyone pay those then?

That's something I need to look in right now.
I think you're most probably right to doubt, generally speeking.

You need to differentiate between the mandatory part (up to 84'600 gross salary), where pretty much everything is predefined by law/regulation, including applicable minimal interest payable.

Above 84'600 I think ordinary contract law applies, so the two parties are largely free to agree upon whatever they like. Presumably this is what Tinkiwinki is referring to.

So if your bonus (partially) falls below the threshold, you are probably much less free than if it's fully above.
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Re: Hiring myself... what steps do I need to do in which order?

Even if you do find out the order in which to do each thing, you're going to need your accountant to jump in at some stage.

Hence, My suggestion:
1. Give the whole problem to your accountant,
2. but research just enough so you have good questions to ask, such as bonus v. dividend, and what expenses you can legally put through tax deductions, and if anyone can recommend a pension fund that doesn't rip you off on fees/percentages.

I once helped a company set up here. I can tell you, it won't just take you hours , it will take you days or weeks and a freshream of paper for your printer.

See for example this set of AXA guides, which are fairly good actually, but I hope that just a glance sends you (running) to your accountant:

1st pillar https://www.axa-winterthur.ch/SiteCo...orsorge_en.pdf
2nd pillar https://www.axa-winterthur.ch/SiteCo...orsorge_en.pdf
3rd pillar https://www.axa-winterthur.ch/SiteCo...-saeule_en.pdf

I have no affiliation or interest in axa. or your accountant.
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I once helped a company set up here. I can tell you, it won't just take you hours , it will take you days or weeks and a freshream of paper for your printer.
So far did I find it relatively easy and straight forward. Only annoying thing was that everything in Switzerland takes it's time... and then some.
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Re: Hiring myself... what steps do I need to do in which order?

Trev you may find these pages useful. Though the situation they have in mind is a private person employing, say, a cleaner for the apartment for a few weekly hours, most things should still apply to your situation in general.
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Re: Hiring myself... what steps do I need to do in which order?

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I think you're most probably right to doubt, generally speeking.

You need to differentiate between the mandatory part (up to 84'600 gross salary), where pretty much everything is predefined by law/regulation, including applicable minimal interest payable.

Above 84'600 I think ordinary contract law applies, so the two parties are largely free to agree upon whatever they like. Presumably this is what Tinkiwinki is referring to.

So if your bonus (partially) falls below the threshold, you are probably much less free than if it's fully above.
Thank you Urs Max. This is correct
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So far did I find it relatively easy and straight forward. Only annoying thing was that everything in Switzerland takes it's time... and then some.
I am an accountant and have set up my company here. It is quite straightforward and people are very friendly to help you if you need some guidance. I did use a fiduciaire to check my salary, social deductions etc bit as it is local specific. I like to understand all of it myself and not leaving it at an accountant.
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Re: Hiring myself... what steps do I need to do in which order?

If you pay into RAV, you'll probably want an employment contract, with terms for termination and things like that.

You'll probably need some paperwork for paying into a pension plan and insurance as well.
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Re: Hiring myself... what steps do I need to do in which order?

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I am an accountant and have set up my company here. It is quite straightforward and people are very friendly to help you if you need some guidance. I did use a fiduciaire to check my salary, social deductions etc bit as it is local specific. I like to understand all of it myself and not leaving it at an accountant.

Seems like you've got yourself entwined in a vicious circle
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