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Import Tax from China

Hello everyone,

Im a European citizen but working and living under a C permit in Geneva.
I'm starting a UK ltd business a side to import products from China and sell in the UK and other countries in Europe (not Switzerland).

Since the products are not sold in Switzerland Im wondering what is the best approach to receive the goods inspect them and then send them to my customers?

1. I want to compare VAT and duty in France and Switzerland. I thought the VAT in Switzerland are much higher than France. But when I quickly had a look at dutycalculator.com it seems that 1000kg with a value of USD 1000 are in fact 1/3 of the price in France. Does anyone have experience with this ? Can this be true?

2. if there are less VAT in Switzerland to pay here. Is it actually possible to import from China to Switzerland and then send the product to Europe and to sell it there?

3. If this is legally possible, what are the things to consider? Is such trade supported by the Schengen Area? Will I pay export VAT in Switzerland and the have to pay another Import VAT in the UK? Is it actually better/cheaper/easier(less paperwork) to ship from China to France and then have it sold in Europe?

I`m fussed about this VAT and I want to do everything by the book. However if there are ways to make things easier or cheaper I like to consider those as long everything is legal.

Many thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

Sandra
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Hello everyone,

Im a European citizen but working and living under a C permit in Geneva.
I'm starting a UK ltd business a side to import products from China and sell in the UK and other countries in Europe (not Switzerland).

Since the products are not sold in Switzerland Im wondering what is the best approach to receive the goods inspect them and then send them to my customers?

1. I want to compare VAT and duty in France and Switzerland. I thought the VAT in Switzerland are much higher than France. But when I quickly had a look at dutycalculator.com it seems that 1000kg with a value of USD 1000 are in fact 1/3 of the price in France. Does anyone have experience with this ? Can this be true?

2. if there are less VAT in Switzerland to pay here. Is it actually possible to import from China to Switzerland and then send the product to Europe and to sell it there?

3. If this is legally possible, what are the things to consider? Is such trade supported by the Schengen Area? Will I pay export VAT in Switzerland and the have to pay another Import VAT in the UK? Is it actually better/cheaper/easier(less paperwork) to ship from China to France and then have it sold in Europe?

I`m fussed about this VAT and I want to do everything by the book. However if there are ways to make things easier or cheaper I like to consider those as long everything is legal.

Many thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

Sandra
VAT is 8% v 20% also duty is based on weight & not value so landing in CH will always be cheaper for large quantities.

However Switzerland is not in the EU so European VAT will need to be paid by the importers.

If the goods have a final destination of the EU, it's a bad idea bringing them to CH in the first place.
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Re: Import Tax from China

Thanks for the quick reply. That makes it clear
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Re: Import Tax from China

These are fairly basic questions, i should be very careful importing as if you don't know what you doing, it can get very expensive..........extra costs here and there, demurrages, import doxs & filing.....

You need to inspect the goods BEFORE shpt not when they arrive here as if they arrive and they're not what you wanted you'0ll have hard time doing anything about ti. I am sure you're paying in advance or against shipping doxs, transit time Chine to Europe with containers is about 30-35 days AGW so you will have paid a long time before you actually get to see the goods.

Depending what you are doing and from where in China , i maybe able to offer some assistance, send me a private mail and we'll go from here.
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These are fairly basic questions, i should be very careful importing as if you don't know what you doing, it can get very expensive..........extra costs here and there, demurrages, import doxs & filing.....

You need to inspect the goods BEFORE shpt not when they arrive here as if they arrive and they're not what you wanted you'0ll have hard time doing anything about ti. I am sure you're paying in advance or against shipping doxs, transit time Chine to Europe with containers is about 30-35 days AGW so you will have paid a long time before you actually get to see the goods.

Depending what you are doing and from where in China , i maybe able to offer some assistance, send me a private mail and we'll go from here.
I work with a business in the UK that imports older motorcycles from the states and he re works them there. We have to have a guy on the ground in the US before they are loaded to inspect to make sure of the quality of the items or we won't ship. I agree, you need to employ someone you can trust and just anyone randomly that says they have a business acting as a third party inspector. You get a container full of crap, and you're stuck it.
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Re: Import Tax from China

I thought importing into CH was free of any additional taxes / duties for import with a value lower than CHF 300? Could anyone point me to any website which clearly explains these rules?
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300Fr is for personal imports only (i.e. you carry it over the border yourself) and excludes certain controlled items.

http://www.ezv.admin.ch/zollinfo_pri...x.html?lang=en
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VAT is 8% v 20% also duty is based on weight & not value so landing in CH will always be cheaper for large quantities.

However Switzerland is not in the EU so European VAT will need to be paid by the importers.

If the goods have a final destination of the EU, it's a bad idea bringing them to CH in the first place.
Thanks for this - great starting information for my business idea (production in China/ sales in EU/ potentially registered in CH but I'm trying to figure out if that makes sense).

So if I understand correctly, products shouldn't physically be brought into CH - but if my company is Swiss-based, will it help to ship them physically just to France Voisine? where I can inspect them and deliver them to their final EU destination? or is the registration place of the company meaningful in this sense?

Thanks for any advice!
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Thanks for this - great starting information for my business idea (production in China/ sales in EU/ potentially registered in CH but I'm trying to figure out if that makes sense).

So if I understand correctly, products shouldn't physically be brought into CH - but if my company is Swiss-based, will it help to ship them physically just to France Voisine? where I can inspect them and deliver them to their final EU destination? or is the registration place of the company meaningful in this sense?

Thanks for any advice!
You wont be able to inspect the goods until AFTER you have paid import duties, as was mentioned earlier, they need to be inspected before they leave China.
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You wont be able to inspect the goods until AFTER you have paid import duties, as was mentioned earlier, they need to be inspected before they leave China.
Thanks! The inspection in Europe isn't actually my biggest concern (as I have a trusted source in China) but rather the taxes.
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Thanks! The inspection in Europe isn't actually my biggest concern (as I have a trusted source in China) but rather the taxes.
Not sure that trusted and china belong in the same sentence. Was ripped off far too many times, trusting the wrong people.
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Thanks! The inspection in Europe isn't actually my biggest concern (as I have a trusted source in China) but rather the taxes.
You won't get shipping documents, required for custom clearance and release of goods until your Chinese supplier been paid. The goods will still be shipping to Europe when all this takes place.

Inspection in Europe is useless, what will you do with off-spec, paid for goods once they are in Europe. Ship them back, who will pay for shipping ?

You need to inspect before goods leave China and before you pay for them or agree to have an independent inspection company attend and seal the containers, somebody like Intertek, SGS Geneva. Steer away from Chinese inspection companies CCIC and suchlike, they'll cheat you.

This is all fairly elementary for importing by the way.
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