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Old 01.05.2013, 14:08
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Re: Starting a business with Permit B

It would probably depend on what type of business and how much info he/she can give them. They'll be looking for things like a good sound business plan, initial financing info, how many clients are potentially signed up if doing something like hairdressing, physiotherapy, gardening services, etc. Basically has to prove he/she has business plan that can support them and move forward in the coming months/years. That's my guess anyway. Possibility of success I have no idea about.
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Re: Starting a business with Permit B

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Re: Starting a business with Permit B

Hello guys! I am going to get Master degree in Switzerland, and after that i wish to start a it business (it is important for me). Maybe somebody could help me with a little bit information.

As example i will have permit B, I heard that, i will need to proof the valuable of future business for canton, how it is often looks like?
Will i able to create GmbH or not?
How far the company should be profitable?
There is any cases for entrepreneur action during studies or only to be at "dark side" ?

I will be happy to hear any information, thanks!
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Old 19.07.2015, 10:45
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Re: Starting a business with Permit B

Without knowing more about you, it's difficult to advise. Are you an EU national or non-EU? Understand that as a non-EU national starting a business here does not automatically grant you residency rights. Any company other than a sole trader would have to prove that it can't find a Swiss/EU national to do a job so unless you happen to have unique skills/experience your company wouldn't necessarily be able to hire you.

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...zulassung.html

Look at these links, they will give you the info you need.

https://www.ch.ch/en/becoming-self-employed/

http://www.kmu.admin.ch/kmu-gruenden...x.html?lang=en
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Without knowing more about you, it's difficult to advise. Are you an EU national or non-EU? Understand that as a non-EU national starting a business here does not automatically grant you residency rights. Any company other than a sole trader would have to prove that it can't find a Swiss/EU national to do a job so unless you happen to have unique skills/experience your company wouldn't necessarily be able to hire you.

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...zulassung.html

Look at these links, they will give you the info you need.

https://www.ch.ch/en/becoming-self-employed/

http://www.kmu.admin.ch/kmu-gruenden...x.html?lang=en
Thank you for your answer!
I am non-EU. I have infromation about new rules (it was added at 2011) that if i got degree from swiss univesity, it's not needed anymore to prove "that it can't find a Swiss/EU national to do a job so unless you happen to have unique skills/experience" , link: https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...abgaenger.html

So with job everything should be ok, but with business i don't know.

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...but with business i don't know.
The last link is very useful. Thank you.

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Re: Starting a business with Permit B

Neither do I. It says:

"Those who are successful in securing employment will be issued a work permit, provided the prospective position involves an activity of particular scientific or economic importance."

This is what you're going to have to prove to the Swiss authorities as part of your business plan.

Whether "securing employment" includes starting your own business, only the Swiss authorities can tell you. I somehow suspect it doesn't because that would make it too easy for non-EU nationals to be able to live/work here, but check with the Swiss authorities to be sure. And let us know what their answer is - it's always useful to know for others in the same situation.
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Old 19.07.2015, 17:51
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Re: Starting a business with Permit B

And it would be for 6 months only!
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Neither do I. It says:

"Those who are successful in securing employment will be issued a work permit, provided the prospective position involves an activity of particular scientific or economic importance."

This is what you're going to have to prove to the Swiss authorities as part of your business plan.

Whether "securing employment" includes starting your own business, only the Swiss authorities can tell you. I somehow suspect it doesn't because that would make it too easy for non-EU nationals to be able to live/work here, but check with the Swiss authorities to be sure. And let us know what their answer is - it's always useful to know for others in the same situation.
Ok. I will. Thank you for your help.

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And it would be for 6 months only!
Well, at the link above there is this infromation:

"If the application is accepted by the cantonal authorities, the entrepreneur is granted at least a short-term residence permit for third-country nationals (L permit) or a residence permit (B permit). Both permits are subject to the L and B permit quotas set annually by the Federal Council.

The B residence permit has a period of validity limited to one year. It can normally be renewed unless there are reasons against a renewal. The short-term residence permit (L permit) is valid for a stay of up to one year. In exceptional cases, the L permit can be extended by up to 12 months."

http://www.kmu.admin.ch/kmu-gruenden...x.html?lang=en

Maybe you mean that person who get degree from swiss university can get "titre de séjour pour recherche d'emploi en Suisse" permit for 6 month when he looking for a job?

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Old 19.07.2015, 18:18
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Re: Starting a business with Permit B

No, the exemption is valid for 6 months
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No, the exemption is valid for 6 months
To be honest, i can't understand what do you mean =((

Do you mean that the official site has incorrent information in your opinion and instead 1 year(B permit or L permit) they can give only 6 month?
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Old 19.07.2015, 18:40
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Re: Starting a business with Permit B

I think you're crossing two different things.

From what we've read, you can get an exemption to stay here and look for work after you graduate, provided you can support yourself. During those 6 months, employers don't have to go through the non-EU hiring process - provided the job is of scientific or economic importance. What that really means is anyone's guess. I imagine it varies by canton.

Your other question is about starting a business. I suppose in theory you could start a business and hire yourself during those 6 months but to be honest I think this is a stretch. If it was that easy to start a business and give yourself a work permit, everyone would do it.

Plus after your first L permit, whether you hire yourself or someone else hires you, I believe the employer does have to go through the non-EU process again in order for you to get a B permit.
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Re: Starting a business with Permit B

The exemption to be able to find a job after finishing your studies on equal footing with Swiss and EU citizens
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The exemption to be able to find a job after finishing your studies on equal footing with Swiss and EU citizens
Oh yes, you are right 6 month to find a job. If person will succeed then B permit (1 year).

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I think you're crossing two different things.

From what we've read, you can get an exemption to stay here and look for work after you graduate, provided you can support yourself. During those 6 months, employers don't have to go through the non-EU hiring process - provided the job is of scientific or economic importance. What that really means is anyone's guess. I imagine it varies by canton.

Your other question is about starting a business. I suppose in theory you could start a business and hire yourself during those 6 months but to be honest I think this is a stretch. If it was that easy to start a business and give yourself a work permit, everyone would do it.

Plus after your first L permit, whether you hire yourself or someone else hires you, I believe the employer does have to go through the non-EU process again in order for you to get a B permit.
I don't know for sure, but i heard the student get B permit from the start.

I figured out 2 schemes about business in theory:

1) If will able to have swiss co-founder (or with С Permit) then we can make company together and he will able to hire me if prove "scientific or economic importance". But it is some kind of risky way.

2) In this case i don't need to share my company, but i need to to prove to the Swiss authorities my business plan, and if they will say ok. I still will need to find any swiss person like a manager or something like that or just be self-employed.

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Re: Starting a business with Permit B

No, students will get an L permit for up to 6 months, not a B.

No, you should be able to be self employed if you satisfy the Swiss authorities of your plans/finances. No need to hire a manager unless you need one.
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(...) Then he married his longtime swiss girlfriend and all problems were resolved :-)

.... and suddenly - another 100 more appeared. But not of business nature
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