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Starting a business with Permit B

Dear colleagues
I read with interest another thread related to this subject and I still don't know how to proceed.
I moved to Switzerland 3 years ago from the USA and I am Currently working for a medium size company. My permit B is related to the work in this company. I have to renew it every year. I would like to leave the company and start my own business in Zurich.
I was told that it would be impossible to start a business with Permit B that was issued by a specific company. (who would issue for me the permit after I will leave my current company?)
Your advise would be highly appreciated.
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Old 23.10.2010, 23:05
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Re: Starting a business with Permit B

that is right

the B permit confers you only authorization to reside in Switzerland for dependent work.

You'd need first to obtain C permit which confers you the authorisation to reside in Switzerland independently of your work status, and/or present your business project to the authorities to obtain a permit for that.
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Re: Starting a business with Permit B

Dear Salsa lover
If it is true that opening a business with permit B is complicated, but is really impossible? How come that so many immigrants to Switzerland open their businesses here (e.g., in Basel).
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Old 24.10.2010, 10:03
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the B permit confers you only authorization to reside in Switzerland for dependent work.
Since 01.01.2008 B permit holders have the right to location and employment mobility including self employment.

Where the B permit is tied to an employer then an additional permission is required from the authorities.
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Re: Starting a business with Permit B

Thanks for the answer. Still it is not clear how do you get permit B for self employed? And if I have permit B from a specific employer (Roche), how do I get permission for self employed B permit once I leave my current place of work?
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Old 24.10.2010, 16:03
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Thanks for the answer. Still it is not clear how do you get permit B for self employed? And if I have permit B from a specific employer (Roche), how do I get permission for self employed B permit once I leave my current place of work?
Erm..... you have to ask for it. But you should maybe do this before quitting your job as if denied you could be in a sticky position.
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Re: Starting a business with Permit B

You need to to have a sit down with a good accountant and get creative.
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Old 24.10.2010, 23:22
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You need to to have a sit down with a good accountant and get creative.
That would be a waste of time and momey without the permission .
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Old 25.10.2010, 01:11
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Thanks for the answer. Still it is not clear how do you get permit B for self employed? And if I have permit B from a specific employer (Roche), how do I get permission for self employed B permit once I leave my current place of work?
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that is right

the B permit confers you only authorization to reside in Switzerland for dependent work.

You'd need first to obtain C permit which confers you the authorisation to reside in Switzerland independently of your work status, and/or present your business project to the authorities to obtain a permit for that.
you have to request for an authorisation to start a business.

But you can have a swiss business but still not get the authorisation to live here as they are not tied together.

A friend of mine could get her business started ( it is an import-export small company ) but didn't get a work authorisation for it.
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That would be a waste of time and momey without the permission .
ok, I'll get creative for you.....
It's a question of finding Swiss persons or C-Permit persons who would like to own a small startup company that would would employ you as a B-permit holder. As the person managing the company, the B-permit holder would also have full control of the company accounts because they are implicitly trusted by the owner of the company. Also, that trusted owner of the company would also agree in advance to sell you the company, irrespective of it's worth for a nominal fee on the occasion that it is allowed by law i.e. when you become Swiss or get a C-permit.

Another option is to piggy back within another already existing company. You may know someone who has a GmbH and they could employ you. You could operate a separate set of company accounts which you control, but most of the legal aspects are then straight forward.

@ Itzik: Best of luck with your business plans. Setting up and managing a company in CH is quite straight forward and only takes a few weeks, permit issues aside... and no it's not possible to own a company as a B-permit holder
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ok, I'll get creative for you.....
It's a question of finding Swiss persons or C-Permit persons who would like to own a small startup company that would would employ you as a B-permit holder. As the person managing the company, the B-permit holder would also have full control of the company accounts because they are implicitly trusted by the owner of the company. Also, that trusted owner of the company would also agree in advance to sell you the company, irrespective of it's worth for a nominal fee on the occasion that it is allowed by law i.e. when you become Swiss or get a C-permit.

Another option is to piggy back within another already existing company. You may know someone who has a GmbH and they could employ you. You could operate a separate set of company accounts which you control, but most of the legal aspects are then straight forward.

@ Itzik: Best of luck with your business plans. Setting up and managing a company in CH is quite straight forward and only takes a few weeks, permit issues aside... and no it's not possible to own a company as a B-permit holder

Right on, and the person holding the "CW permit and thus legal owner of thew company gets left holding the baby with no control of the company money when it all goes wrong. To do this is crazy and as the person fronting the company, like it or not there ar certain responsibilities.

"Piggy back" on another company.....somebody else in full control acting under what you are eventuly responsible for but have no input or control over. No thankyou
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ok, I'll get creative for you.....
It's a question of finding Swiss persons or C-Permit persons who would like to own a small startup company that would would employ you as a B-permit holder. As the person managing the company, the B-permit holder would also have full control of the company accounts because they are implicitly trusted by the owner of the company. Also, that trusted owner of the company would also agree in advance to sell you the company, irrespective of it's worth for a nominal fee on the occasion that it is allowed by law i.e. when you become Swiss or get a C-permit.
You still have to get a B permit for the new employee and since the OP is non-EU you have to prove that there is no EU or CH person available to take up the position and in the current climate that is a serious challenge.

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.. and no it's not possible to own a company as a B-permit holder
erm, yes it is.
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Re: Starting a business with Permit B

Itzik

Have you heard of STARTUPS.CH? I have read previously on this forum that they are very helpful and should hopefully be able to advise you on your situation - http://www.startups.ch/en/

I also think you should ask your local authorities.

All the best.
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Re: Starting a business with Permit B

I have the same concern as the author of this topic. I want to start an internet company and also have a permit B. Can I register my company NOT in Switzerland and run it from here still keeping my official permit B job in Switzerland? In what countries is it the simplest to register a small company for a foreign national? What are legal and tax implications of such a situation for me? Does Switzerland care that I earn money from a company registered outside this country? I assume my company would be taxed by the country where it is registered, right? Do I need to inform anyone in Switzerland about owning my company at the same time as being an employee here?
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Re: Starting a business with Permit B

swissbob is RIGHT !

However, if you have the B permit as a person from EU, then no problem.
But I understand you are from the USA, so it's a little more complicated.
Check this link , it's an official Swiss org site, so definetely THE source to get info about this.

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Re: Starting a business with Permit B

Hi, my friend wants to start a business but his permit is N (for asylum seekers) . can he do it ?

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Re: Starting a business with Permit B

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A friend of mine could get her business started ( it is an import-export small company ) but didn't get a work authorisation for it.
Same here! A friend of mine was able to found his own company with his B permit after filling out the necessary forms. But he couldn't get his permit renewed from his own company. Then he married his longtime swiss girlfriend and all problems were resolved :-)
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Hi, my friend wants to start a business but his permit is N (for asylum seekers) . can he do it ?

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No. This from the official Swiss Federation website:

"Asylum-seekers are persons who have applied for asylum in Switzerland and whose application is being processed. During the asylum proceeding, they are basically entitled to be resident in Switzerland. Under certain circumstances, they can be permitted to pursue gainful employment as an employee subject to Art. 43 Asylum Act."

He could only be employed by someone else, provided the circumstances mentioned are met, but he can't start his own business.
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Re: Starting a business with Permit B

thanks for answering. I talked with office du commerce about it on the phone, they said basically it is possible, but I do not know what is basically, how much there is a chance to be accepted.
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