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Old 17.02.2015, 15:30
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You know, if you do assymetric permanent eyebrows, you can end looking puzzled for quite a long time.

By the way, is permanent makeup truly permanent, or does it wear out?
Guys, you are talking about really bad work here. Yes I have seen many terrible eyebrow makeups and I am surprised that so many so called "professionals" without enough skills, attention to detail or ability to study face proportions or notice imperfections dare to touch their clients with a needle but this happens a lot.
There are a lot of green eyebrows or purple lips, yes just look around, look carefully and soon you will notice a lot of it. This is the effect of not mixing color/pigment. If you use only black pigment for eyebrows or upper eyeliner it MUST change color and when this happens it looks terrible. It is all about money but it shouldn't be.

My eyeliner was done 3 years ago. It was black, thick and I loved it. I still do. Now it is a bit lighter so I have to retouch it. There is a difference between your eyeliner going blue or green and just lightening with time. If it lightens you can simply retouch it but if it goes green it is obvious someone tattooed your face and doing work like this is a crime.
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I prefer the eyelids without makeup and the asymmetrical lip looks way more natural as well.
Yes, it looks natural but not necessarily better but you are allowed to think that. I can imagine this photo was taken directly after treatment. This bright red color will lighten as there is a lot of fresh pigment on her lips so only some of it will stay. It usually takes couple of weeks to see final effect as tissue is swollen so a lot of blood which needs time to be reabsorbed.
I posted this photo to show how skilled linergist can hide imperfections and improve shape and proportions. Look at the corners of the lips, they are pointing down which gives this woman a sad look. It is hidden with makeup and asymmetry looks better. She managed to correct these two things and this is how you should look at the photo I posted.

Most of technicians don't even see it. They will draw a contour around sad looking asymmetric lips which will make a person look like sad Pierrot. Some will do lip contour for young girls with lips like Angelina Jolie. I've seen it recently in Hamburg and I can't help it, it reminds me of this sweet creature:
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What is the reason to give someone with natural, full perfect lips a lip contour? Someone who has perfect lips already? Money I think because by doing it face proportions will be messed up and big lips will look even bigger. Absolutely no reason to do it.
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Old 17.02.2015, 16:13
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Guys, you are talking about really bad work here. Yes I have seen many terrible eyebrow makeups and I am surprised that so many so called "professionals" without enough skills, attention to detail or ability to study face proportions or notice imperfections dare to touch their clients with a needle but this happens a lot.
There are a lot of green eyebrows or purple lips, yes just look around, look carefully and soon you will notice a lot of it. This is the effect of not mixing color/pigment. If you use only black pigment for eyebrows or upper eyeliner it MUST change color and when this happens it looks terrible. It is all about money but it shouldn't be.

My eyeliner was done 3 years ago. It was black, thick and I loved it. I still do. Now it is a bit lighter so I have to retouch it. There is a difference between your eyeliner going blue or green and just lightening with time. If it lightens you can simply retouch it but if it goes green it is obvious someone tattooed your face and doing work like this is a crime.

Oh, I didn't mean to imply you would do bad work. I trust you would do excellent work. Sorry, it was just musing about permanent make-up. My SO wanted to have some done. And then she backed out at the last minute. I think I might have scared her with my jokes. I'll ask her if she's still interested.

During the process, you draw what it looks like first, right? Before committing to permanently drawing it in?
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Yes, it looks natural but not necessarily better but you are allowed to think that. I can imagine this photo was taken directly after treatment. This bright red color will lighten as there is a lot of fresh pigment on her lips so only some of it will stay. It usually takes couple of weeks to see final effect as tissue is swollen so a lot of blood which needs time to be reabsorbed.
I posted this photo to show how skilled linergist can hide imperfections and improve shape and proportions. Look at the corners of the lips, they are pointing down which gives this woman a sad look.
I looked at every part of the lips and I disagree with your first and last line. So what if the corners of the lips apparently are pointing down? I still think no makeup looks much better and natural.
People have imperfections, yes (those lips without makeup aren't what I'd call imperfect though) - but why does every imperfection need to be eradicated? IMO looking fake with obviously "done" lips/eyebrows would be way worse than looking imperfect. But as it's the ladies opinion who want the makeup that counts, they're welcome to go and get it. I just absolutely don't see the necessity with those lips, that's all.
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Re: Would you like to have beautiful permanent makeup?

midfield, thank you. I agree, it is irrelevant.
I was looking for a studio at that time. I found one in Zug and it is perfect to have one more skilled therapist or beauty professional. I already found someone who is excellent myofascial therapist, trained in Munich but he is not looking for more clients and only wants to secure regular clients he already has in Zug.


I have two rooms so inviting someone who can offer treatments different than mine is actually very good idea. As for permanent makeup it is very simple. I have the studio and she has the skills. I can't do what she does as this requires very steady hand but that's not all. It requires drawing skills and hours of drawing portrait if one wants to be good. Something nobody will tell you when you join course in Long Time Liner. These courses are crazy expensive, have excellent marketing but teach nothing or not enough to be good at this job. What one really needs is drawing/art lessons and studying photos of as my friend said "not so pretty women" and drawing eyebrows so it makes them look better, prettier and younger. Yes, I would say at least 80% of permanent makeup technicians are butchers. They don't see what should be done to make person look younger and more attractive but will give you lip contour which often makes "not so pretty woman"look even worse. That's because they don't see enough and have no skills to correct imperfections. Schools such as long time liner keep some standards of how this makeup should be done but there is a difference between someone with real artistic skills, drawing skills and sense of beauty and someone who does calcomania because that's how Long Time Liner is teaching and it is "the only way". My friend also finished one of such courses but soon she realized she hates this style and does not want to be a butcher.. She developed her own style and own techniques she uses today and she is busy every day.


I am willing to support her because I trust her skills and for makeup I wouldn't go to anyone else. I am one of her happy clients. It took me many months to convince her that coming to CH might be another good business opportunity. I also really like her as a person. She has very warm personality and women naturally trust her so I am happy to pay for her flight, spend 2 days with her and give it a try with her service in Zug. This of course brings more people to my studio and by inviting someone like her I can offer more good quality treatments as one can't be specialized in everything. This is new project for me and I am happy to do it. Doing massages every day and working alone becomes very tiring and boring so I need new projects.
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I'm not sure what your point is.

That's a three year old ad, and in any case has absolutely no relevance to anything here and contradicts nothing here.

Oh look. Another three your old ad. Is this sour grapes about your own business not going so well?

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Re: Would you like to have beautiful permanent makeup?

Sure, I see your point. Permanent makeup is something you can have but you can live without it. I don't say everyone should have it done.
As for lip corners pointing down, it gives the person sad look and will look worse with age as skin looses elasticity.

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I looked at every part of the lips and I disagree with your first and last line. So what if the corners of the lips apparently are pointing down? I still think no makeup looks much better and natural.
People have imperfections, yes (those lips without makeup aren't what I'd call imperfect though) - but why does every imperfection need to be eradicated? IMO looking fake with obviously "done" lips/eyebrows would be way worse than looking imperfect. But as it's the ladies opinion who want the makeup that counts, they're welcome to go and get it. I just absolutely don't see the necessity with those lips, that's all.
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During the process, you draw what it looks like first, right? Before committing to permanently drawing it in?
Of course! First you have to love it and accept it.
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You know, if you do assymetric permanent eyebrows, you can end looking puzzled for quite a long time.

By the way, is permanent makeup truly permanent, or does it wear out?
Yes I know Same "permanently surprised" look can happen after botulinum toxin being injected incorrectly. That's why you have to always: Look for someone highly recommend, possibly see results of work/contact one of the clients, see portfolio, don't be afraid to ask tons of questions and take time to decide, try not to look at how much it costs but first of all how it is done.
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Re: Would you like to have beautiful permanent makeup?

The first pic is beautiful. Is this tattooed on or applied in a different way?
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Re: Would you like to have beautiful permanent makeup?

We still have 2 spaces left for makeup and/or consultation on 18th of March.
There will be free tea and coffee for all our guests in Pier 41 bar downstairs.
Authentic portfolio (no photoshop) is already available on my website www.bodylogic.ch
I will also try to post photos from our makeups done in March.

If you have any questions you know where to find me.
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Re: Would you like to have beautiful permanent makeup?

First edition of permanent makeup in Zug was a success. My friend loved it here and wants to come back regularly. It was intensive but really pleasant time and our first clients were lovely and left our studio very happy.
We had intensive two days but how interesting!
We were busy and almost everyone who signed up showed up. In two days we did:
1 small delicate female tattoo which covered two scars
3 X eyebrows (mostly microblading method)
3 X lips (contour with shade)
3 X upper eyeliner.

I will try to post photos here but portfolio is also available on Facebook: Permanent Beauty Zug

Corrections of makeups we did in April are planned for 15-16-17 of May. Other appointment, for tattoos, makeups or consultations are of course possible.
We take bookings now.
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