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I think you should consult an astronomy text. You'll realize that the entire solar system does not revolve around you. You sound awfully self-centered, which doesn't seem so apparent in your other posts. Seriously, if you were a car driver, would you insist that everyone get out of your way? Do you also insist that everyone speak English in your presence?
Let me guess..... you are a smoker...

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Yes I am a Queen and everyone should bow when seeing me.
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let me guess..... You are a smoker...
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non smoker here.
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I believe that...
I've always been a non-smoker, and I agree with him.

The anti-smoking hysteria is becoming ridiculous.

We've got legs. Why don't we use them?
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I've always been a non-smoker, and I agree with him.

The anti-smoking hysteria is becoming ridiculous.

We've got legs. Why don't we use them?
Read above again, some people don't have all the time the options to move around as they wish. Young kids, disable, old people, preggos, etc. And beside, it is again asking to the non-smokers to be tolerant, to be convenient, to take it and shut up, etc.

Maybe it cames to this point because they are tired to be ask all of that when too many smokers are not able to give only one thing asked: respect.

Otherwise, why are we now in this demonisation of the cigarette if it is not for this issue?
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Read above again, some people don't have all the time the options to move around as they wish. Young kids, disable, old people, preggos, etc.

Should laws for all be made for the benefit of a few? The vast majority of us are perfectly capable of shifting our lazy bottoms a few feet away from those awful smokers. That's nowhere near as much fun as making a big fuss about it, though, is it?


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Well, that is what tolerance is all about. For some reason, people seem to think that it's about liking stuff, celebrating stuff, approving of stuff. It isn't. Tolerance is about accepting the fact that other people are human just as we are. Tolerance is about accepting the fact that if we give people a bit of leeway for not being perfect, they might be more inclined to give us a bit of leeway for not being perfect.

I don't like people smoking round me, but they probably don't like me gobbing off in English in their presence, either. If I can get on their nerves, they have a right to get on mine. That's what civilised society is all about.

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Because it is no longer acceptable to lynch black people and beat up Jews.

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Old 05.02.2011, 13:46
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Should laws for all be made for the benefit of a few? The vast majority of us are perfectly capable of shifting our lazy bottoms a few feet away from those awful smokers. That's nowhere near as much fun as making a big fuss about it, though, is it?

In this case, the law is to accomodate the majority, and the majority is non-smoker!

Well, that is what tolerance is all about. For some reason, people seem to think that it's about liking stuff, celebrating stuff, approving of stuff. It isn't. Tolerance is about accepting the fact that other people are human just as we are. Tolerance is about accepting the fact that if we give people a bit of leeway for not being perfect, they might be more inclined to give us a bit of leeway for not being perfect.

Yes and tolerance should be given from both side, which wasn't the case for too long!

I don't like people smoking round me, but they probably don't like me gobbing off in English in their presence, either. If I can get on their nerves, they have a right to get on mine. That's what civilised society is all about.

Because it is no longer acceptable to lynch black people and beat up Jews.

There always has to be a scapegoat.
Now you are being a bit Drama Queen.
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Old 05.02.2011, 14:19
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Re: Smoking on the train platforms.uughh

LIB, will you STOP groaning at people who have a different opinion to yours when it comes to this topic? We know you hate smokers with a passion but some of the opinions have been very fair.
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LIB, will you STOP groaning at people who have a different opinion to yours when it comes to this topic?
What? You'd rather he'd try to construct a coherent argument?

You must admit that his groans are neater and less tiresome...
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Re: Smoking on the train platforms.uughh

Zürich had a motto a few years ago - Erlaubt ist, was nicht stört. And smoking 'stört', especially when it's raining and the covered area of the tram stop is filled with noxious fog. Why should I have to go stand in the rain?
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Re: Smoking on the train platforms.uughh

Personally I don't like smokers or mobile phone users. We'lll find out in 30 years that the radio waves emmitted from phones and masts are incredlibly dangerous and bad for our health, esp children, and will be linked to a rise in cancers, brain tumours and suchlike. I wish they'd all go and perform their dirty little habits in private. I mean, imagine if everyone who drank or smoked cannabis or injected herion did it in public all the time? We'd be outraged.

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The vast majority of us are perfectly capable of shifting our lazy bottoms a few feet away from those awful smokers. That's nowhere near as much fun as making a big fuss about it, though, is it?
It doesn't always work like that though. A few years ago I waiting for a train at Enge with a two week old baby.

There were a lot of people smoking on the platform so I walked right to one end away from absolutely everyone and sat down on a bench.

A few minutes later, a man, smoking, sat down next to me on the bench. I asked whether he could smoke somewhere else and he said he had the right to smoke there and carried on.

So I walked right to the other end of the platform.

How much walking do you want us to do?

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Yes - mandatory disabled access to public areas, for example.
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It doesn't always work like that though. A few years ago I waiting for a train at Enge with a two week old baby.

There were a lot of people smoking on the platform so I walked right to one end away from absolutely everyone and sat down on a bench.

A few minutes later, a man, smoking, sat down next to me on the bench. I asked whether he could smoke somewhere else and he said he had the right to smoke there and carried on.

So I walked right to the other end of the platform.

How much walking do you want us to do?
That's one incident. And what about the thousands of other incidents when you have just edged up a few feet without bother, and the problem was instantly solved?

I hardly think a couple of minutes' worth of cigarette smoke in the open air of a city full of cars, buses, trucks and chimneys would make much difference to a child's lungs, anyway.

I wonder if one can catch VD from toilet seats?



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I hardly think a couple of minutes' worth of cigarette smoke in the open air of a city full of cars, buses, trucks and chimneys would make much difference to a child's lungs, anyway.
I am not going to sit next to a car exaust either!

As mush as it is their right to smoke, it is our right to not smoke with them. And this exemple of Tom is a daily story for too many of non-smokers.

Let me ask you something, if non-smokers can just walk away, why smokers can't make the effort to stay away of non-smokers?

A bench, a non-smoker. A smoker comes and sit to smoke.... Smoke your cig at a certain distant to not bother others, when you are done, come and sit.

Simple.

And this will be living in society!
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Let me ask you something, if non-smokers can just walk away, why smokers can't make the effort to stay away of non-smokers?
Put simply: it ain't their problem.
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Re: Smoking on the train platforms.uughh

If I may kindly suggest the rollerblades or moped to move away faster from the source of cigarettes smoke. Power of the wheels should effectively relief legs use preventing them from extra stress on quads and hamstrings muscles and thus reduce the fatigue.

I'm sure there are at least a few likeminded smokers who could be considerate enough no to light up and do not deserve all the lynch. The rest hang them on gallows
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...are you completely sure?

Not Tom
The chemicals in air fresheners are often much more toxic to inhale than the whiff of second-hand smoke...yet people keep using "glade plug-ins" and scented "freshener" sprays in their home.

Do the people on here who complain about second-hand smoke also try to keep their children away from the roads, where hundreds of cars release carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, sulphur, and god knows how many more toxic fumes every day..?
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That's one incident. And what about the thousands of other incidents when you have just edged up a few feet without bother, and the problem was instantly solved?
I have never known a smoker move away because they are concerned about the people around them.
It's always the non-smoker that moves.

I suppose there are some that, when in such a situation, will wait until later to light up.

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I'm talking about a new-born baby and not a child. Perhaps it wouldn't make much of a difference but I thought it was a pretty thoughtless and totally unnecessary act by the smoker.
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That's one incident. And what about the thousands of other incidents when you have just edged up a few feet without bother, and the problem was instantly solved?

I hardly think a couple of minutes' worth of cigarette smoke in the open air of a city full of cars, buses, trucks and chimneys would make much difference to a child's lungs, anyway.

I wonder if one can catch VD from toilet seats?



Adding a right is not the same as removing one.
I guess that it's a good thing that it doesn't matter what you think.

The majority of the people don't want smoking. That is why the laws are being passed. If it was just a few whiny bitchy types (like myself) then the law wouldn't have changed nor would there be more changes in the offing. Plus, this conversation would be about where we could go to escape the prevalent smoking that was everywhere, and I do mean everywhere, in Switzerland just a few years ago.

BTW, the smokers also have legs and I am continuously amazed at the number of them that continue to walk over to non-smoking people in public places to light up. I mean: :WTF: Ever wonder why they don't exercise their right to pollute their environment with others of a like mind? This is not a rational act and their behaviour is not rational either.

BTW, the guy would lights up next to someone with a baby at the far end of a train platform. Not atypical. I had this happen to me almost every time I took the train with my daughter. Not an isolated incident. We'll see how you feel in a few years, if and when you have your own children.

Oh, and not likely, on the VD from toilet seats. Although at first, I thought that you meant Vaud and I was wondering how Vaud was related to toilet seats!
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Re: Smoking on the train platforms.uughh

Wow, now we fall in the ''let's make any kind of arguments to make a point.''

Since we have some pollution around us, cigarettes smoke shoudln't be a problem. If someone light up some scent at home, cigarettes shouldn't be a problem....

Is it how you think you'll convince non-smokers to become tolerant?

-Oh! Right, I didn't think about the polution my child breath everyday, but since it is now so clear, let's go and sit next to this smoker, because hey! It won't hurt us, right?

This is a killer argument, I am surprise that the pro-smokers didn't use it when doing their campaign against the ban...

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