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Old 07.02.2011, 23:06
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Old 07.02.2011, 23:22
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I'm a little surprised as well. First groans on here so far. For relaying my shared annoyance at someone breaking the law, or for defending the perfume argument?
I agreed with your post until those lines below when I rolled my eyes. So I am guessing that I might not be alone. You know nobody likes a drama queen right?

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I know my lungs aren't appreciating all the second hand smoke they gather on the train platforms every day. At this rate, I'll probably have cancer in the next 10 years.
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This IS English ! It is the "English" of the British Royal Guard
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Re: Smoking on the train platforms.uughh

This morning on the tram - tram pulls into Central, nicotine junkie takes one last desperate lung full, throws the glowing butt in front of my feet as I get in the tram behind her and then exhales the smoke inside the tram. One day I will lose it and vomit on / punch / something else incredibly rude the smoker who does this.
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Old 08.02.2011, 09:22
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I agreed with your post until those lines below when I rolled my eyes. So I am guessing that I might not be alone. You know nobody likes a drama queen right?
I'm sorry, but when I walk through the clouds of smoke in the train station, on the way to the train station, on the street, trying to hold my breath in the bad spots, I legitimately wonder what the second hand smoke is doing to my body. Of course no one can predict if they'll get cancer, but should I be passive about what happens to my own body until after the fact?
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This morning on the tram - tram pulls into Central, nicotine junkie takes one last desperate lung full, throws the glowing butt in front of my feet as I get in the tram behind her and then exhales the smoke inside the tram. One day I will lose it and vomit on / punch / something else incredibly rude the smoker who does this.
Exacty the problem, if the smokers were to be a little more considerate, this discussion, little yellow box or small smoking cubicle wouldn't even exist.

Smokers can kills themselves with whatever smoking related diseases, but think about the non-smokers each time you decide to light one up, especially when you're on the escalators or common crowded places.

But we all know that smokers are self-centred muthafunkers, so the only thing that would help the non-smokers to breathe nicotine free air is those segregation cubicle and little yellow boxes. So smokers, you have nothing to really complain about!!!!
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Re: Smoking on the train platforms.uughh

I kind of doubt that any of the smokers in the train stations will reconsider lighting up around small children either. Sure, it's in the interest of kids under 2 years especially to avoid smoke inhalation, but I really don't think that's stopping people on the platforms today. They don't care about your kid's health one bit.
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Re: Smoking on the train platforms.uughh

A somewhat off-topic but related thought - is it not about time they introduce a e.g 50% premium to the health insurance of smokers here? Don't see why they should be subsidised by those who choose not to deliberately debilitate their own health and it would surely provide the financial incentive to push a few percent more to stop.
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Old 08.02.2011, 12:04
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I'm sorry, but when I walk through the clouds of smoke in the train station, on the way to the train station, on the street, trying to hold my breath in the bad spots, I legitimately wonder what the second hand smoke is doing to my body. Of course no one can predict if they'll get cancer, but should I be passive about what happens to my own body until after the fact?
Then be my guest and go around with a Darth Vader-like mask containing nothing but pure oxygen.

As long you are living amongst civilisation, there will be people who smoke. Unless tabacco companies are burnt down or being forced to stop production, there will be smokers on every corner.

I never denied the fact that some smokers are helluva inconsiderate. As a smoker trying to quit, believe me, nothing is more annoying in the world right now, than a whiff of smoke because there is nothing I would like to do more than to bitch-slap that bastard enjoying his cancer stick.

But this anti-smokers hysteria and the generalisation of ALL smokers is getting on my nerves, for alot of you who advocate tolerance in many of your other posts (regarding religion for example), I've seen nothing of that but myopic generalisation due to your unfortunate incidents with those inconsiderate smokers. Where are the pitchforks?

Note to self: ignore all smoking rant threads in future.

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A somewhat off-topic but related thought - is it not about time they introduce a e.g 50% premium to the health insurance of smokers here? Don't see why they should be subsidised by those who choose not to deliberately debilitate their own health and it would surely provide the financial incentive to push a few percent more to stop.
Hmm, but then they would also have to charge people who are overweight, those who do extreme sports, those who binge drink / drink a lot, etc. Smokers are actually charged extra "insurance" on every packet they buy. I think this is the way to go and should also be applied to unhealthy foods (with a converse lowering of the prices of healthful stuff or maybe an introduction of "healthy eating sets" for those with no clue). Incentives for good behaviour, negative aspects for bad behaviour. Bit like training dogs really...
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Old 08.02.2011, 12:08
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But this anti-smokers hysteria and the generalisation of ALL smokers is getting on my nerves, for alot of you who advocate tolerance in many of your other posts (regarding religion for example), I've seen nothing of that but myopic generalisation due to your unfortunate incidents with those inconsiderate smokers. Where are the pitchforks?
...yeah, but a person praying in front of a train is not causing me cancer and most likely won't stink up the place.
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Old 08.02.2011, 12:11
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Who said I was aiming for that far up?
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...yeah, but person praying in front of a train is not causing me cancer and most likely won't stink up the place.
But they will leave a nasty stain and delay traffic, which is not exactly brilliant either.
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But they will leave a nasty stain and delay traffic, which is not exactly brilliant either.
Haha, if we all stand in front of the train that way, the smokers would make splatters too.
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Then be my guest and go around with a Darth Vader-like mask containing nothing but pure oxygen.

As long you are living amongst civilisation, there will be people who smoke. Unless tabacco companies are burnt down or being forced to stop production, there will be smokers on every corner.

I never denied the fact that some smokers are helluva inconsiderate. As a smoker trying to quit, believe me, nothing is more annoying in the world right now, than a whiff of smoke because there is nothing I would like to do more than to bitch-slap that bastard enjoying his cancer stick.

But this anti-smokers hysteria and the generalisation of ALL smokers is getting on my nerves, for alot of you who advocate tolerance in many of your other posts (regarding religion for example), I've seen nothing of that but myopic generalisation due to your unfortunate incidents with those inconsiderate smokers. Where are the pitchforks?

Note to self: ignore all smoking rant threads in future.

Rant over. *pants*
I understand you. I do.

You see, those who rant against the smokers, they don't rant against those who are nice enough to respect the non-smokers. They rant about those (too many) who don't give a shit of other people around them.

I'll believe you are a considerate person, and as a smoker you are certainly too because it is who YOU are.

But as much as you have bad, selfish people in the world, it will always affect the vision we have of people in different situation.

A jerk who become a father is still a jerk. A jerk who own a dog is still a jerk and a jerk who smoke will stay a jerk too.

The definition of being a jerk is what makes the person, no? A nice person will think about those around him, the jerk won't.

It is not the cigarette the problem, but the person who holds it. And if the person is a jerk, he is giving a bad reputation to the nice one who is sensitive about others.

I am going far with the jerk thing, but I just wanted to make an exemple. In reality, people are so into themselve (thinking of their day, problems, work, etc) and they just forget other peoples around them when lighting up. If someone does it next to a child and is asked to move and do so, it is a sensible person, if the answer is: this is my right and deal with it, it is a jerk (in my book).

Maybe all of us are being intolerant of each other.
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Re: Smoking on the train platforms.uughh

Do you go to the garage and refill your car with petrol? Do you smell a little benzene vapour? Do you remove your children from the car whilst refuelling?
Ever thought of risk assessment? Hazard/exposures/risk determination?
I think you will find that the highest exposures to a potent carcinogen will be encountered at petrol stations during filling .



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I kind of doubt that any of the smokers in the train stations will reconsider lighting up around small children either. Sure, it's in the interest of kids under 2 years especially to avoid smoke inhalation, but I really don't think that's stopping people on the platforms today. They don't care about your kid's health one bit.
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A somewhat off-topic but related thought - is it not about time they introduce a e.g 50% premium to the health insurance of smokers here? Don't see why they should be subsidised by those who choose not to deliberately debilitate their own health and it would surely provide the financial incentive to push a few percent more to stop.
Actually in some places they pay less. Why because they die earlier, more quickly and draw less on the system. Obesity is probably the largest draw on any health insurance, rack up the diseases and illnesses obesity can cause and the length of time they go on for vs a cancer ridden smoker.

Why should they stop? It's their choice just as it's your not to smoke/drink/take on extreme sports etc etc. It's a legal habit. Either vote to ban it (yes completely) or stop complaining.

Then again the next one will be the hike in your pension pot. All those people complaining about their pensions should be encouraging people to smoke. They pay in the same and take out less. If people live longer the premiums go up, so it's a catch 22.

This lunacy about second hand smoke has been discussed on this forum before, I would worry about the far higher concentrations of carcinogens in car exhaust pollutants than cigarette smoke. It's about exposure concentrations and not the small amount you are taking in at a train platform. It's not nice and I agree the guys doing this need a punch in the mouth, but have some perspective.

I'm suprised no one has bought up 3rd hand smoke yet it's only a matter of time before this hits the media, then again there's only so much BS people will buy. BTW you can get lung cancer without smoking which people also seem to forget.

Then again no one wants to admit this is a problem because they wouldn't be able to drive the kids to school, collect the shopping etc etc.

It's not visible therefore cannot be singled out like someone with a cancer stick in their mouth on a train platform. Then again we're all perfect right?
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Re: Smoking on the train platforms.uughh

The jerk thing - This is very true with the dogs, btw, I feel sorry for all those dogs that are treated like jerks just because they are owned by one who can't do his or her job properly. In fact, this also extends to some kids, although 40% of their temperament is pre-determined.

Ok, back to cigarettes - if you want to express your freedom, do so by voting, discussing philosophy and making conscious choices in positive aspects, not by increasing the profits of the tobacco companies.
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