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Old 08.02.2011, 15:42
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Obviously, it is working just fine for REGA... otherwise, the mandatory individual contribution would be way higher... the volume of memberships sold, plus the voluntary/charitable donations are enough to cover the Z-llion CHF rescue bill for getting a BASEer's (and smoker!) a$$ out of a tree!
You forgot mushroom hunters and hikers!

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Old 08.02.2011, 16:03
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It's cute, but it won't happen.

Read some pages back and see what happen when someone say somethings about those who are the inconsiderate smokers...
Yes but in the main they are a minority of the 25-30% of people in Switzerland that smoke. So what you're saying is a few individuals out of the 2-3 million that smoke are upsetting you.

So you are going to inforce your deluded view that all smokers are inconsiderate on 2-3 million people who are proping up the tax system for you?

Some people deserve a punch in the face as much as anyone, I agree there are inconsiderate people regardless of the topic and many in the majority are non-smokers. I'd rather second hand smoke than a tailgator. It's all about risk and people have lost the ability to correctly analyse risk and take the appropriate action. They point out inidividuals that stand out and hit them as hard as they can. How come millions haven't died of second hand smoke from the 50's/60s?

Get some perspective on the problem. It's minor compared to the number of car drivers polluting the air with their filth.

I'll send you bill for your percentage of 1,820,000,000 CHF right now. It works out at roughly 200 chf per person in Switzerland per year. Without the loss in corporation tax. Then again we haven't considered the hike in health insurance, life insurance, pensions etc yet so I reckon the bill could be more like 500-1000chf per year coming from your pocket.

We can all then live in a sterile environment smelling of KFC, perfume, baby vomit and traffic fumes.

Would you be willing to pay? No didn't think so.
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Old 08.02.2011, 16:20
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Yes but in the main they are a minority of the 25-30% of people in Switzerland that smoke. So what you're saying is a few individuals out of the 2-3 million that smoke are upsetting you.

So you are going to inforce your deluded view that all smokers are inconsiderate on 2-3 million people who are proping up the tax system for you?

Some people deserve a punch in the face as much as anyone, I agree there are inconsiderate people regardless of the topic and many in the majority are non-smokers. I'd rather second hand smoke than a tailgator. It's all about risk and people have lost the ability to correctly analyse risk and take the appropriate action. They point out inidividuals that stand out and hit them as hard as they can. How come millions haven't died of second hand smoke from the 50's/60s?

Get some perspective on the problem. It's minor compared to the number of car drivers polluting the air with their filth.

I'll send you bill for your percentage of 1,820,000,000 CHF right now. It works out at roughly 200 chf per person in Switzerland per year. Without the loss in corporation tax. Then again we haven't considered the hike in health insurance, life insurance, pensions etc yet so I reckon the bill could be more like 500-1000chf per year coming from your pocket.

We can all then live in a sterile environment smelling of KFC, perfume, baby vomit and traffic fumes.

Would you be willing to pay? No didn't think so.
The old, "Thanks to us smokers, we're saving the rest of you money" speech.

Excellent. Last time I heard it was about then years ago.
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Old 08.02.2011, 16:28
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The old, "Thanks to us smokers, we're saving the rest of you money" speech.

Excellent. Last time I heard it was about then years ago.
I'm not a smoker.

Doesn't change a fact does it? So you still have no answer to it.

Any bloke that hits a women or suggests drowning her must be a real example to society. Big man are we?

That's about 10k you owe, cough up! (Well I thought that was funny.)

Again I can't hear the folding of a crisp 1000Chf note being extracted from your pocket.
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Old 08.02.2011, 16:37
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... well, neither do I. Risky sports + the attitude above = Stupidity (and early death)
But, that's not how most people that practice them think...
True. In the course of quite a lot of ski touring I've only seen Rega have to come out once. That was to a smoker who died of a heart attack
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Old 08.02.2011, 16:38
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Any bloke that hits a women or suggests drowning her must be a real example to society. Big man are we?
May be difficult in a very small pool with a depth of only 6" of water - and full of kids - including mine.

I was thinking more of tipping a bucket of water over her tu put out her cigarette.

(I doubt that's illegal).
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Old 08.02.2011, 16:41
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We can all then live in a sterile environment smelling of KFC....
Leave our KFC alone. LiB and Porsch will be very upset.....
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Old 08.02.2011, 16:45
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Re: Smoking on the train platforms.uughh

So here we are..... Diamondscan groans me for this post.
All I list here are facts not opinionated hysteric hot air.

Sort of tells you more about His/her basis for discussion. I give up on some people.

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Do you go to the garage and refill your car with petrol? Do you smell a little benzene vapour? Do you remove your children from the car whilst refuelling?
Ever thought of risk assessment? Hazard/exposures/risk determination?
I think you will find that the highest exposures to a potent carcinogen will be encountered at petrol stations during filling .
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Old 08.02.2011, 16:45
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Leave our KFC alone. LiB and Porsch will be very upset.....
Me, Lib and Mimi had several very pleasurable towers last week at KFC.
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May be difficult in a very small pool with a depth of only 6" of water - and full of kids - including mine.

I was thinking more of tipping a bucket of water over her tu put out her cigarette.

(I doubt that's illegal).
Probably considered assault I could check but you aren't worth my efforts.
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Leave our KFC alone. LiB and Porsch will be very upset.....
I wondered when someone would pick up on this.

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True. In the course of quite a lot of ski touring I've only seen Rega have to come out once. That was to a smoker who died of a heart attack
... could've been the smell of cow "dong" that got him... just sayin'...
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I am looking for menthol cigarettes to smoke on train platforms here. Could someone recommend a good local brand?
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May be difficult in a very small pool with a depth of only 6" of water - and full of kids - including mine.

I was thinking more of tipping a bucket of water over her tu put out her cigarette.

(I doubt that's illegal).
I've been thinking about your example and how I would deal with this.

I think quite rightly you have a point, but neither of your responses show your ability to mediate when required. It's a nothing or shoot first ask questions later response.

It's similar to the neighbours being unable to knock the door when there's a problem and calling the police first. It just gets everyone's back up and creates problems in future.

How about telling the woman with a smile that you're really sorry but find the situation unacceptable and if she doesn't mind would she smoke away from the childrens pool while you look after her children? That way she wins, you win and everyone's happy. You might even gain a smoker as a friend.

She might take offense and in that case you take the all guns blazing response, but you've shown your commitment to find a mutually agreeable solution. Therefore she is now being unreasonable.

Remember currently she is doing nothing illegal no matter how offensive it may be.
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Old 08.02.2011, 17:59
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It's all about risk and people have lost the ability to correctly analyse risk and take the appropriate action. They point out inidividuals that stand out and hit them as hard as they can. How come millions haven't died of second hand smoke from the 50's/60s?
It's got nothing to do with risk. No one's going to drop dead of lung cancer running the gauntlet of smokers on the railway platform everyday.

And, of course, as you say, smokers are legally allowed to smoke there.

However, it's quite unpleasant.

Every time we air our flat, our next door neighbour goes outside for a cigarette and after we've re-closed our windows and patio doors, the flat smells like a stale ashtray.

The neighbour's not doing anything illegal. And we certainly can't, and won't do anything about it but it's still unpleasant for us.

And we have no choice in these things.

When we used to go round to the in-laws house here they used to smoke in the house with all the windows closed.

That was their choice.

One day my wife and her sister said that if their father continued to smoke in the house, they wouldn't bring the children round any more.

That was their choice.


Smokers shouldn't have the monopoly on choice.
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Old 08.02.2011, 18:01
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I've been thinking about your example and how I would deal with this.

I think quite rightly you have a point, but neither of your responses show your ability to mediate when required. It's a nothing or shoot first ask questions later response.

It's similar to the neighbours being unable to knock the door when there's a problem and calling the police first. It just gets everyone's back up and creates problems in future.

How about telling the woman with a smile that you're really sorry but find the situation unacceptable and if she doesn't mind would she smoke away from the childrens pool while you look after her children? That way she wins, you win and everyone's happy. You might even gain a smoker as a friend.

She might take offense and in that case you take the all guns blazing response, but you've shown your commitment to find a mutually agreeable solution. Therefore she is now being unreasonable.

Remember currently she is doing nothing illegal no matter how offensive it may be.
In reality - that's how I would deal with it.

Of course if the children got a bit over-enthusiastic with their splashing...
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In reality - that's how I would deal with it.

Of course if the children got a bit over-enthusiastic with their splashing...
Then you have the perfect in to suggest you will look after her brats (sorry children) and get her out the pool with her smoke, again win win.
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It's got nothing to do with risk. No one's going to drop dead of lung cancer running the gauntlet of smokers on the railway platform everyday.

And, of course, as you say, smokers are legally allowed to smoke there.

However, it's quite unpleasant.

Every time we air our flat, our next door neighbour goes outside for a cigarette and after we've re-closed our windows and patio doors, the flat smells like a stale ashtray.

The neighbour's not doing anything illegal. And we certainly can't, and won't do anything about it but it's still unpleasant for us.

And we have no choice in these things.

When we used to go round to the in-laws house here they used to smoke in the house with all the windows closed.

That was their choice.

One day my wife and her sister said that if their father continued to smoke in the house, they wouldn't bring the children round any more.

That was their choice.

Smokers shouldn't have the monopoly on choice.
I agree even when I did smoke I would never smoke in someone's house or in my own property, I was always way away from the windows/doors, but I was lucky I had large balconies, gardens or places I could sit without disturbing others.

The worst situation I heard was when it was "seeping" through the walls. The only way you can deal with that is to move.

You should and must do something about it. Have you approached your neighbour to see if you can find a solution? Perhaps they are not aware that they are causing a problem? Obviously there's little you can do, but for neighbourly love and your sanity perhaps it's worth a conversation. They might if nothing else be more aware when you have windows open. Try going round with a cake or some treats from home.

The inlaws comment I agree with it's their choice if they can't hold out for a while or smoke outside while the children are there it's a bit lame really.

Then again it's their property and their choice. You could have reversed it and supplied a smoking area outside at your place, far away from the property. The unpleasantries start when you have to empty the ashtray.

Smokers do not have a monopoly on choice apart from their addiction to a very nasty substance, don't believe all smokers want to smoke and cause you problems the majority don't.

Try to be sympathic to these people no matter how much it gets your goat, it's not easy to give up and it took me x3 attempts and to be honest I would love to see a complete ban on sale, but I know this is not practical for various reasons. I hate the mess on the floor of cigarette butts and I think it's unbelievable people cant find one of the many ashtrays/bins around Zurich there's just no excuse for littering.

Furthermore ensure your children understand why they shouldn't smoke in an unpatronising/scientific and objective way and cut off the next generation of smokers.
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Old 08.02.2011, 18:26
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Smokers shouldn't have the monopoly on choice.
Care to explain how a smoker has a monopoly on choice?
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Care to explain how a smoker has a monopoly on choice?
In a particular place, a smoker can chose whether to smoke, or whether not to smoke.

A non-smoker, in a place which they cannot move from, and surrounded by smokers, has no choice and must accept the smoke.

Things have improved and those situations arise less and less.
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