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Old 08.02.2011, 18:51
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A non-smoker, in a place which they cannot move from, and surrounded by smokers, has no choice and must accept the smoke.
, I would have thought this qualified as assult, not monopoly? Did you call for help, or was the smoke taking too much oxygen away from your lungs to able to get out that last cry?

Sorry, I just thought "monopoly on choice" may have been dragging the donkey out that one last time after the flogging, hanging, drawing and quartering. Next thing you know us smokers will be up in front of the UN on charges of running geonicide camps on railway platforms.

I had better quit before it gets as bad as the poor folk who want to own a gun or a large pushchair.
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Old 08.02.2011, 18:59
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In a particular place, a smoker can chose whether to smoke, or whether not to smoke.

A non-smoker, in a place which they cannot move from, and surrounded by smokers, has no choice and must accept the smoke.

Things have improved and those situations arise less and less.
Lets reverse this.

In a large number of places, a smoker cannot chose whether to smoke, or whether not to smoke.

A non-smoker, in a place which they can move from, and surrounded by smokers, has a choice and may choose not accept the smoke.

(Who has the right or who doesn't? Neither in my opinion if it's in open air. I would further say give an example where as a non-smoker you are unable to avoid smoke by walking away. Which is what I do.)

Things have improved and these situations are definately more in balance.

It's all about the balance of choice. I think personally it's about right and yes whilst there's annoyances now and again the majority of people are happy where it is right now.
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Old 08.02.2011, 19:03
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I finally got the hint, recognised the endless negative progression of the popularity of smokers, was savaged with a vicious plethora of insults by a militant little woman in Yosemite national park for daring to smoke a cigarette in such fresh air and gave up in '07. I figure that after a bit more time it will be about as socially acceptable as public masturbation - at least in the non-Swiss parts of the western world.

As a former smoker I sympathise with the feelings of persecution smokers feel. But really, if they can't take the hint or summon the will-power I would greatly appreciate them at least refraining from striking up on a busy railway platform at some god-foresaken hour of a Monday morning when it is still dark and minus temperatures. Just not a healthy way for anyone to start the day.
For me it was San Francisco in 2005, when I got a dirty look for having a cigarette with my beer at happy hour outside on the patio.
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Old 08.02.2011, 19:06
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I think personally it's about right and yes whilst there's annoyances now and again the majority of people are happy where it is right now.
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For me it was San Francisco in 2005, when I got a dirty look for having a cigarette with my beer at happy hour outside on the patio.
Obviously not everyone.

They're going to ban it in public parks and beaches in New York, as well.
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Old 08.02.2011, 19:10
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Obviously not everyone.

They're going to ban it in public parks and beaches in New York, as well.
I said the majority

Seems a little draconian and a nightmare to police. The thing about good laws is they have to have acceptance to work. I can't see anyone that smokes paying attention. It will just be the equivalent of smoking a joint on the high street.

I'm surprised this law stuck in Italy when they banned it on beaches. Although you saw one or two ignore it the majority went with it.
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Old 08.02.2011, 19:12
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I said the majority

Seems a little draconian and a nightmare to police. The thing about good laws is they have to have acceptance to work. I can't see anyone that smokes paying attention. It will just be the equivalent of smoking a joint on the high street.

I'm surprised this law stuck in Italy when they banned it on beaches. Although you saw one or two ignore it the majority went with it.
The Police aren't going to bother policing it. As you suggest, they won't really need to.
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Old 08.02.2011, 19:14
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The Police aren't going to bother policing it. As you suggest, they won't really need to.
Well if you want to eradicate smoking from beaches and parks you will have to. Otherwise it will be ignored.

"Someone" unfortunately will have to hand out a few fines to get the message across.

Completely different to an enclosed space such as a railway station platform and much more difficult to enforce.
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Old 08.02.2011, 20:15
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I'll send you bill for your percentage of 1,820,000,000 CHF right now. It works out at roughly 200 chf per person in Switzerland per year. Without the loss in corporation tax. Then again we haven't considered the hike in health insurance, life insurance, pensions etc yet so I reckon the bill could be more like 500-1000chf per year coming from your pocket.

We can all then live in a sterile environment smelling of KFC, perfume, baby vomit and traffic fumes.

Would you be willing to pay? No didn't think so.
Sounds like an absolute bargain in relation to the good old Billag bollocks. I know which I'd rather pay.
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Re: Smoking on the train platforms.uughh

Well what about the smoke and shit that the autos blow out. Its enough to kill a thousand people for every kilometer.
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Re: Smoking on the train platforms.uughh

..And .. what you gonna do .... when your children start smoking.....?

Well, as long as they dont go up in flames, and just smoke .... really .. what are you non-smoking vigilantes gonna do about it ... huh?
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Re: Smoking on the train platforms.uughh

And another thing about smokers, the amount of cigarette butts littering the country is disgusting I mean, even go up into the mountains and sit down to enjoy the view and look whats that, oh cigarette butts everywhere.

Lets face it smokers you are doomed one way or the other. You smell unpleasant, your breathe stinks, you will die from some smoking related diseas and you mess up the country side!!

Give it up, you have been tricked into doing in the first place....


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Old 08.02.2011, 21:49
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Lets face it smokers you are doomed one way or the other. You smell unpleasant, your breathe stinks, you will die from some smoking related diseas and you mess up the country side!!
Well here is to hoping that this thread dies of sheer obesity of opinion and not some smoking related desease as it is time for me to leave it when the delightful start wishing death on me.
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Old 08.02.2011, 21:52
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Well here is to hoping that this thread dies of sheer obesity of opinion and not some smoking related desease as it is time for me to leave it when the delightful start wishing death on me.

More or less tells you that on the packet!!! I don't wish it on any of you.
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..And .. what you gonna do .... when your children start smoking.....?

Well, as long as they dont go up in flames, and just smoke .... really .. what are you non-smoking vigilantes gonna do about it ... huh?
Well as more and more people give up, the only people left smoking will be those old hardened addicts with faces like burnished walnuts and coughs like a cacaphony of barking seals in a cave.

Hardly an attractive prospect for them, eh?
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Old 08.02.2011, 23:26
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I'm not a smoker.

Doesn't change a fact does it? So you still have no answer to it.

Any bloke that hits a women or suggests drowning her must be a real example to society. Big man are we?

That's about 10k you owe, cough up! (Well I thought that was funny.)

Again I can't hear the folding of a crisp 1000Chf note being extracted from your pocket.
You aren't that funny.
Nor are you correct in your assertions about the tax advantages of smokers versus the cost of health care. If you had read any of the literature you would know that the studies that have been done indicate that the tax vs. health cost and lost business vs. lost hours show that in the big picture, it's a wash.

The cost of lost revenue offsets the cost due to damages and increased cost of health care. However the cost of lost productivity is also offset by the fact that smokers tend to self select themselves out of the general population before they get old enough to begin having other problems that the rest of us suffer and thereby reduce their cost on the healthcare system.

So any group wanting to control costs is in a no lose situation. First they penalise users with price increasing tariffs, ie the sin taxes common in most countries. Then they can ban or significantly restrict user consumption so that as revenue from duties falls the costs associated with consumption decline as well. Part of that reduction in costs comes from the reduction in lost productivity due to second hand smoke and decreasing health care costs of those passively exposed to the toxins as well.
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So here we are..... Diamondscan groans me for this post.
All I list here are facts not opinionated hysteric hot air.

Sort of tells you more about His/her basis for discussion. I give up on some people.
You will find that you are incorrect. Concentration and cacinogenicity are more important. My wife, who did cancer research for about ten years, assures me that there are almost a dozen extremely carcinogenic organic compounds.
As far as fueling your car is concerned, I don't understand the point of the argument. I believe all fuel pumps in Swiss gas stations are required to recover vapourous emissions that occur during the fueling process. So it is quite obvious that the general public understands and accepts the potential risk due to the very limited exposure. Second hand smoke has effects more far reaching and longer lasting than a quick few minutes at a gas station.
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Re: Smoking on the train platforms.uughh

Reading the frothy mouthed sanctimony on this thead makes me want to wander down to the nearest train station during rush hour and light up a fag just for lulz.
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After reading the above, I also fill like lighting up... the gas station (potential source of all fumes and evil)
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This gives me a great idea, we should carry a freshner bottle and when someone comes next to us to smoke, we push some freshner in the air around us! That will make a point!
Or better yet, as you are such an accomplished farter, whenever someone lights up the cig close to you, you can just fart loudly on his/her nose range
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Lets face it smokers you are doomed one way or the other. You smell unpleasant, your breathe stinks, you will die from some smoking related diseas and you mess up the country side!!

Give it up, you have been tricked into doing in the first place....

Not to mention the "struggles" in bed

Give it up...
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