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Old 09.02.2011, 09:34
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Or better yet, as you are such an accomplished farter, whenever someone lights up the cig close to you, you can just fart loudly on his/her nose range
But this is just a quick fix, after the pregnancy I will lose this power...
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Old 09.02.2011, 10:00
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I believe all fuel pumps in Swiss gas stations are required to recover vapourous emissions that occur during the fueling process.
No, they are not. And it's been years since I've seen a pump so equiped.

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Old 09.02.2011, 11:17
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Interestingly, the term “fourth-hand smoke” — the theory that you can get cancer from simply watching a movie in which Humphrey Bogart is smoking — is now getting 347,000 Google references. Stay tuned.

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Old 09.02.2011, 15:55
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Interestingly, the term “fourth-hand smoke” — the theory that you can get cancer from simply watching a movie in which Humphrey Bogart is smoking — is now getting 347,000 Google references. Stay tuned.
Haven't heard of that theory, but I am a believer of the theory that watching high adrenaline sports leads to increased heart rate, heavier breathing, and consequent improved CV fitness among the audience

By my rough estimate (), watching 1 base jump on TV burns about the same calories and releases the same amount of endorphins as running 1 km.
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Re: Smoking on the train platforms.uughh

Train plaforms are big places. Stand someplace else. And this goes for both smokers and non smokers. Non smokers who stand next to the ashtray really deserve every breath they get. Stop whining.

And being called stupid and all sorts of other things by non-smokers makes them what? Smart? Brave? Standing up for themselves? No, it makes them as ridiculous as smokers who harp on about them saving the nation by buying cigarettes.

The point of the matter is consideration, but neither side is willing to give an inch. So live with yourselves and stop it.
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Old 09.02.2011, 16:06
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Haven't heard of that theory, but I am a believer of the theory that watching high adrenaline sports leads to increased heart rate, heavier breathing, and consequent improved CV fitness among the audience

By my rough estimate (), watching 1 base jump on TV burns about the same calories and releases the same amount of endorphins as running 1 km.
And watching a porno movie is like having sex.

Oh sorry, now I understand - for some of you it is having sex.
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Old 09.02.2011, 16:08
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No, they are not. And it's been years since I've seen a pump so equiped.

Tom
Hmm, i could have sworn otherwise. I know that the nozzles don't look like the ones here with the accordion thingy. However, I have never noticed the presence of excess vapours in the forcourts of petrol stations so I assumed that the more complicated mechanisms included the facility in some more clever and subtle fashion. I'll have a look at one when I come back next month.

BTW, nice groaning. Is this how you deal with people who don't agree with your point of view? I wasn't insulting nor was I particularly rude. The issue of my accuracy about petrol pump mechanisms doesn't change the rest of the facts. Which BTW weren't particularly pro or anti smoking.
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No, they are not. And it's been years since I've seen a pump so equiped.

Tom
Actually you're wrong and clangers is right. Switzerland requires 90% of petrol vapour to be recaptured by the pump. It's just the system is now a bit more sophisticated than the old bellows type of thing.

Try spending a few seconds with Google. Oh and ungroan Clangers please!
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Old 09.02.2011, 16:24
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Actually you're wrong and clangers is right. Switzerland requires 90% of petrol vapour to be recaptured by the pump. It's just the system is now a bit more sophisticated than the old bellows type of thing.
And how does it recover it?

I smell vapour everywhere, what is going to collect it from the open air?

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Old 09.02.2011, 16:34
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And how does it recover it?

I smell vapour everywhere, what is going to collect it from the open air?

Tom
Why would it collect it from the open air? The idea is to stop it exiting the fuel tank at all as far as possible. Main system I believe is vapour recycling (active pumped system mostly) built into the nozzle. Efficiency does vary depending on the car type.

Again - this is a legal requirement in Switzerland (and the USA and most of the EU). Also has a pretty quick payback for garage owners as fuel losses through vapour are otherwise quite high.
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And how does it recover it?
There are two kinds of vapor recovery nozzles. The upper picture explains it pretty good IMHO.



The vacuum-assisted nozzles used in Switzerland look somewhat different:

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Old 09.02.2011, 17:22
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There are two kinds of vapor recovery nozzles. The upper picture explains it pretty good IMHO.



The vacuum-assisted nozzles used in Switzerland look somewhat different:

So these require the nozzle to be fully inserted to do anything, and to be about the same diameter as the fuel inlet (which isn't the case with most of my vehicles).

No wonder I smell fumes!

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So these require the nozzle to be fully inserted to do anything, and to be about the same diameter as the fuel inlet (which isn't the case with most of my vehicles).

No wonder I smell fumes!

Tom
How old are the vehicles that you are driving? If you are using petrol, a modern car should have an insert that keeps you from putting diesel in, no?

I know that is how it works in the USA, but I never owned a diesel vehicle in Switzerland, just petrol.

My wife's '84 Mercedes has the old type of filler neck that doesn't keep one from making mistakes but all of the newer cars I have owned, from and as well as in Europe, do. ('98, '01, '06, '08)
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How old are the vehicles that you are driving? If you are using petrol, a modern car should have an insert that keeps you from putting diesel in, no?
6 of my 7 vehicles are motorcycles.

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6 of my 7 vehicles are motorcycles.

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Oh, yeah. That'll do it.

Of course the other reason that you smell more vapours is that the liquid/gas interface where the petrol churns and there is increased volatility is right next to the filler opening. In a car, the fumes have to work themselves back up to the top of the neck before you can smell them. Plus, on a motorcycle the opening is right in front of your face where as the opening on a car is at about the same level as your hip. Well, this has been my experience, YMMV.
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Haven't heard of that theory, but I am a believer of the theory that watching high adrenaline sports leads to increased heart rate, heavier breathing, and consequent improved CV fitness among the audience

By my rough estimate (), watching 1 base jump on TV burns about the same calories and releases the same amount of endorphins as running 1 km.
Then this movie (3D, mind you!) should be a big hit with those who hate exercising!
http://www.humanflight3d.com/
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Re: Smoking on the train platforms.uughh

Love it! From Smoking on train platforms .... we now into, on the SAME thread ...... petrol fumes, and lounge lizard couch potatoes doing their excerise by watching TV sport coverage!.......
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Would love it if we had the same as in California! I can't say I'm fond of a lungful of smoke whilst waiting for the train on a fresh winters morning...
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Re: Smoking on the train platforms.uughh

If you have a problem with smoking on the platforms, EMAIL THE SBB.

The more polite requests they get, the more likely they are to change something.

When I emailed with the same comment, they replied very quickly, very helpfully, in English, and with a properly written email, not a standard form one.

customerservice at rail dot ch
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Re: Smoking on the train platforms.uughh

This was basically the response:

Thank you for your e-mail. Many thanks for taking the time to express your opinion to us regarding smoking on railway property. I am delighted to see that you feel you can be entirely open and honest about your thoughts on this issue.
I can understand your concern at regularly being exposed to the dangers of passive smoking when waiting at the station, something for which I can only apologise.
The current situation is this: smoking is banned in all closed spaces under the control of SBB where air cannot freely circulate. It is not possible simply to make a sweeping comparison with other countries where a nationwide smoking ban has already been introduced and where the legal framework has been adjusted to accommodate this, which is currently not the case in Switzerland. Certain cantons and the Federal Council have expressed their support for a smoking ban in certain buildings, including restaurants, but stations have intentionally not yet been mentioned in these considerations.
I can tell you that the political discussions on this matter are being followed and analysed very closely within our organisation at the highest level. Of course, we cannot neglect the health aspects associated with passive smoking, but there must be clearly defined limitations to these considerations.
(greencelery), it goes without saying that I will forward your e-mail to those responsible, so that they are aware of all opinions being raised on this subject. With this in mind, I would like to thank you for the opportunity to comment directly.

Greetings from Berne.
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