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Old 14.07.2015, 12:47
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Re: Smoking on the train platforms.uughh

I did actually shower and change my clothes. Which i would presume most people are doing at least twice a day in this heatwave, whether they smoke or not!!
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Old 14.07.2015, 12:53
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I did actually shower and change my clothes. Which i would presume most people are doing at least twice a day in this heatwave, whether they smoke or not!!
Lots of people do it twice a day when it's not a heatwave - when they go for a run, or a swim or take another form of exercise.

It's not such a big deal and not sure why you needed to mention it.
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Of course they do. You're the ones that decide what's allowed and what isn't.




I think you misunderstood me (again). Try re-reading what I wrote.

I was saying that allowing smoking everywhere means it remains a normal, accepted, everyday practice.

This isn't a good state of affairs for future generations.



Not all smokers are like that. Some are really considerate.

We were at the restaurant at the local badi at the weekend and we chose a table (as is our right) away from the smokers.

There was a couple of women there with their kids and one of them was a smoker. When she wanted a cigarette, she got up from her group and walked over and sat next to my kids and proceeded to smoke over where they were eating and then went back to her own table to carry on her own meal.
What are people like? Are they really that selfish?






Why do you persist in mentioning other peoples' kids and cotton wool. What is your agenda?

To be honest, it's up to parents to bring up their children as they see fit and not to be told how to do it by someone who really doesn't have a clue.

And as for shielding them from smoke? That's hardly going to happen in Switzerland and the other Balkan* countries at the top of the world's smoking league table is it?

*Yes, I appreciate that Switzerland isn't actually in the Balkans but the attitude of the Swiss people is on par, as is the filthy residue of the habit smoking habit in public places.

A lot of tourists (and some locals) are now remarking on what a dirty country Switzerland is.

Nobody wants Smoking to be allowed everywhere. It rather is restricted in most places


That such stupid people as you describe are in evidence is one of the problems


That some people complain about dirtyness in Switzerland already was a topic in the 1950ies and 60ies and is hardly new


Switzerland is NOT at the top of the world's smoking league table but rather at the other end



the filthy residue of habits in public places from smoking to chewing gums to throwing fast food away is an ugly matter but not to be tackled in a totalitarian way
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That some people complain about dirtyness in Switzerland already was a topic in the 1950ies and 60ies and is hardly new

the filthy residue of habits in public places from smoking to chewing gums to throwing fast food away is an ugly matter but not to be tackled in a totalitarian way

Switzerland.....dirty?


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She said she didn't smoke at the pub, nothing about showering, changing clothes, etc.

Really, it's a wonder that anyone is alive today, assuming that this second hand smoke stuff is true.

Tom
I wonder that too! Not only because of the second hand smoke stuff, but the EFeres seem to have so many existential problems,with all these imperfections you know, that I somehow wonder if they descended from Buckingham palace...or any other palace, white or yellow house etc. Unfortunately, I travelled to way too many and various places to believe at least a tiny little bit of what some smug people want to sell here...
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A lot of tourists (and some locals) are now remarking on what a dirty country Switzerland is.
WTF?
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I did actually shower and change my clothes. Which i would presume most people are doing at least twice a day in this heatwave, whether they smoke or not!!
Once a day for me, 5x+ for my wife, as every time she gets a bathing suit wet, she changes into a dry one!

Haven't really noticed the heat-wave, as we have AC at work, at home, at the vacation home, in the car, etc.

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Old 14.07.2015, 14:55
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That's wonderful, but doesn't it make you think twice about your addiction that you defend so vehemently? That you have to take a shower and not smoke for however many hours so you can hold a baby? Non-smokers can just hold a baby whenever they want, without jumping through hoops.
Unless you are a convicted paedophile. Does that mean smokers are on the same level of paedophiles? Maybe smoking leads to paedophilia?

Right, I'm off to sell some dubious research and statistics to the Daily Mail.
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Unless you are a convicted paedophile. Does that mean smokers are on the same level of paedophiles? Maybe smoking leads to paedophilia?

Right, I'm off to sell some dubious research and statistics to the Daily Mail.
Well, they do share a disturbing lack of willpower and regard for others....hmmmm...I think you might be on to something!

(It might just be that even smokers recognize that holding a baby when you reek of smoke is nasty)
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Of course they do. You're the ones that decide what's allowed and what isn't.
This is not a vote, nor was it when I showed the thread to my colleagues. Nationality is irrelevant here, just as it is in most cases.
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Old 14.07.2015, 16:25
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I wonder that too! Not only because of the second hand smoke stuff, but the EFeres seem to have so many existential problems,with all these imperfections you know, that I somehow wonder if they descended from Buckingham palace...or any other palace, white or yellow house etc..
Don't forget color discrimination and everytin' else..

Anyways. The high rates here I don't think show lack of discipline or will(i)power to beat popular addiction, but simply shows abundance of cash to feed it. Nothing to do with Balkan. Why rip on Balkan, anyway...populist muscle talk is populist muscle talk.

When others talk of different public health issues here it is interesting that the same strong arguers see nothing wrong with possible imperfections in our creme de la creme of the world.

Investing in edu will do more than any bans or political campaigning, but then - the sport centre personnel, teachers, nurses, nannies and day care staff educating the young ones shouldn't be the ones smoking at the main entrances of their institutions. What stops one, though, from having an informal word with them on negative image they are portraying to the kids and customers? Or write a brief note to their institutions, letters seem to be efficient here.

The fun starts, when kids of the campaigners start smoking when the rebellion age hits. Maybe toning the muscle talk and simple and reasonable commentary will have faster results on one's kids than policing the entire smoking population around the kids. Taking an action is a noble and exemplary way to live, being a realist helps too, though. Forbidden fruit and all that, heavily represented even in the creme de la creme places.

It is still a taboo here, though. Nothing to do with personal freedom, cash plays the role. If personal freedom was so important, benign regulation (noise, angle of one's doormat or "no junk mail" label format) would be non issues.
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Old 14.07.2015, 18:51
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Nobody wants Smoking to be allowed everywhere. It rather is restricted in most places
I don't think that's correct all. It's actually quite a few people. And, some of those don't even smoke.

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Switzerland.....dirty?
Yes. It seems to be getting worse every year but first impressions last and arriving at one of the main stations here you're greeted by the stench of old cigarette smoke and the cigarette butts littering the place.

(I'm assuming you're not arriving from the Balkans).

It's not the same in other countries.


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Haven't really noticed the heat-wave, as we have AC at work, at home, at the vacation home, in the car, etc.

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(I'm assuming you're not arriving from the Balkans)
Wrong.

We were in Slovenia on Sunday, in fact we arrived home on Slovenian petrol (EUR 1.35/liter)!

Meanwhile: http://www.morningadvertiser.co.uk/L...cences-to-pubs

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I don't think that's correct all. It's actually quite a few people. And, some of those don't even smoke.



Yes. It seems to be getting worse every year but first impressions last and arriving at one of the main stations here you're greeted by the stench of old cigarette smoke and the cigarette butts littering the place.

(I'm assuming you're not arriving from the Balkans).

It's not the same in other countries.




You can take the American out of the U.S. but he's still an American through and through.

WHO does want to have smoking permitted everywhere ? Prove your point please


ever arrived in train stations in Italy (Milano Centrale) or France (Gare de l'Est) ? or at Cairo Ramses or at Algiers Main Station ?


In short it is WORSE in other counties and NOT better at all


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Re: Smoking on the train platforms.uughh

If you are looking at the countries that have it worse, well, yes, there are those, and they pay the price for it, too. But why not compare CH with those countries where things are better? If you put a product out in the market, you compare it with the better, not with the worse. Right?

Let's see if there is an exodus of smokers to Greece, to take advantage of their new smoking rules.
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Wrong.

We were in Slovenia on Sunday,
So was it a dirtier or cleaner country? I've always found it to be a really clean country but that may be because I've seen it through Lasko Pivo tinted spectacles.


Probably got more to do with paying back the deficit then re-introducing smoking which is a moot point anyway as Greece is number one in the world for smoking closely followed by the Balkans and Switzerland.

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I'm sorry, are you asking for a list of names?

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...ever arrived in train stations in Italy (Milano Centrale) or France (Gare de l'Est) ? or at Cairo Ramses or at Algiers Main Station ?


In short it is WORSE in other counties and NOT better at all
Yes, let's compare Zurich HBf with Cairo or Algiers stations to really show that we haven't got an argument.
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So was it a dirtier or cleaner country? I've always found it to be a really clean country but that may be because I've seen it through Lasko Pivo tinted spectacles.




Probably got more to do with paying back the deficit then re-introducing smoking which is a moot point anyway as Greece is number one in the world for smoking closely followed by the Balkans and Switzerland.



I'm sorry, are you asking for a list of names?



Yes, let's compare Zurich HBf with Cairo or Algiers stations to really show that we haven't got an argument.

Closer to Zürich is Konstanz. No smoking on the Perrons and no stench THERE, but Exit the Perron area and go towards the bus area and the roads and it is the same as in Zürich or rather worse. But also Germany is a Democracy and NOT to adopt extreme laws as also the Basic rights of smokers are guarded by the BRD-Grundgesetz
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Closer to Zürich is Konstanz. No smoking on the Perrons and no stench THERE, but Exit the Perron area and go towards the bus area and the roads and it is the same as in Zürich or rather worse. But also Germany is a Democracy and NOT to adopt extreme laws as also the Basic rights of smokers are guarded by the BRD-Grundgesetz
They're only considered extreme in the Balkans and in countries with people with similar views such as in Switzerland.

No-one is saying smokers can feed their addiction - they should just do it away from everyone else.
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They're only considered extreme in the Balkans and in countries with people with similar views such as in Switzerland.

No-one is saying smokers can feed their addiction - they should just do it away from everyone else.

No, many such ideas are considered extreme in Germany and in the Bundestag. Many members of the Bundestag do not support ideas like a Smoking ban on the Trottoirs and Roads as they fear about their electoral success.


The result is that at Konstanz Bhf the smokers gather just a bit out of the Station with the same effect
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Re: Smoking on the train platforms.uughh

So Tom, where do you suggest we smokers go to enjoy our addiction?

As i have said numerous times on this and other threads about smoking.
I respect non smokers, i do no puff my smoke in their faces nor in their childrens faces. I do not take up a place on a 4 person bus stop bench in the middle of the Winter to smoke my cig.

I haven't been to Zurich train station in 20 years, so i don't add to their problem.

So where should i smoke?

Perhaps, on the terraces, getting some heatwave air. Like most normal people. I have been sat and smoking on terraces for the past few weeks - no one has complained about my smoking. Zilch. And if they did, i would move.

I wouldn't make a whole song and dance about it - i would move tables. Without any animosity at all.

But in a way, if i was on the terrace first....!!! And got the good seat!!! In the shade!!!... With that wee bit of air?!! Blowing away from your children and you. You never know... (joking).
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So Tom, where do you suggest we smokers go to enjoy our addiction?
Away from everyone else - like in more progressive non-Balkan countries.

Or just give up.

By the way, relieving cravings for an addiction isn't really enjoying something - you're just basically getting back to the level of contentment of everyone else.

Interesting new research hints that the correlation between long term smoking and schizophrenia might actually be causation with nicotine being one of the triggers.

Have fun and be brave - there's lots of help available for drug addicts.
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