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Old 09.09.2015, 18:36
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Re: Smoking on the train platforms.uughh

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And we all know that 84.3% of statistics such as yours are made up on the spot.
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Yes, I provided a link to the made-up data.

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I have no idea how many are chemically addicted, but the number of part-time smokers I know suggests a significant proportion who clearly are not.
Well the research suggests although these 'part-time' smokers (is that like a part-time vegan?) may not fit the criteria to be addicted, they do show some dependency.

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And we all know that 84.3% of statistics such as yours are made up on the spot. I have no idea how many are chemically addicted, but the number of part-time smokers I know suggests a significant proportion who clearly are not.
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It's okay, you don't need to keep telling us you're not addicted.
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Old 09.09.2015, 20:17
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Unquestionably, the worst parts of my day en Suisse is the time on the train platform with a bevy of smokers in every direction - I literally walk as far away as I can but you're never really far enough to avoid all the smoke...Of course, I know it used to be worse in the country and this weekend when I was in Basel for the match against Slovenia I realized there are still worse places to endure smoke - how can they allow that inside a stadium, even if it's open air?

Can't believe I'm hopeful about a Philip Morris product but I really wish for iQOS to take off and take the country by storm - vaping tobacco will not only be better for the addicts but more importantly for those wishing not to be forced to passively smoke as well
Just on this thread alone, the phrase "passive smoke" respectively "passive smokers" reminds me it is one of the biggest, fattest oxymorons around, right up there with "friendly fire".
ETA, not directed at the person I quoted, just using the phrase.
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Old 10.09.2015, 17:02
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Re: Smoking on the train platforms.uughh

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It's okay, you don't need to keep telling us you're not addicted.
If you recall, that wasn't the point I was making:


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people wouldn't want to smoke if they didn't make themselves addicted to it.

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An all too common misconception, and one which serves only to discourage some people from giving up.
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Old 10.09.2015, 17:37
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If you recall, that wasn't the point I was making:
It's something like 97% of smokers who are addicted.

Why are you continuing to quibble about the odd 3% who aren't?

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And you're picking up that other poster on their bad use of English even though what they are really intending to say is pretty obvious. That isn't really good form, is it? Especially from a moderator?
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Old 10.09.2015, 19:09
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It's something like 97% of smokers who are addicted.

Why are you continuing to quibble about the odd 3% who aren't?
Why are you continuing to make such ridiculous assertions? Especially when even the single source you've referenced disagrees with it.

I suggest you re-read it, or would you like me to do the work for you and quote the parts that are actually relevant?

Oh, heck, I might as well anyway.
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The study found, not surprisingly, that the greater the number of cigarettes per day the person smoked, the greater the chance that they would meet strict diagnostic criteria for having become nicotine dependent. Whereas under 50% of those who smoked 1-5 cigarettes per day met the criteria, over 80% of those who smoked over 30 cigarettes per day met the criteria.
The only reference to 97%, the bit you quoted, was the proportion of those who were classed as dependent who experienced difficulty stopping.
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Just on this thread alone, the phrase "passive smoke" respectively "passive smokers" reminds me it is one of the biggest, fattest oxymorons around, right up there with "friendly fire".
ETA, not directed at the person I quoted, just using the phrase.

Not an Oxymoron at all. A passîve smoker is a NON-SMOKER
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Old 12.09.2015, 22:10
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Why are you continuing to make such ridiculous assertions? Especially when even the single source you've referenced disagrees with it.

I suggest you re-read it, or would you like me to do the work for you and quote the parts that are actually relevant?

Oh, heck, I might as well anyway.


The only reference to 97%, the bit you quoted, was the proportion of those who were classed as dependent who experienced difficulty stopping.
Yes, sorry. You're absolutely right - nicotine is only mildly addictive and most smokers aren't addicted at all and smoke because they really enjoy it.

Better for you?
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Yes, sorry. You're absolutely right - nicotine is only mildly addictive and most smokers aren't addicted at all and smoke because they really enjoy it.

Better for you?

My brother smoked ONE cigarette per day, and the sister in law smokes TWO per day, and so I was and am ready to accept the enjoyment thesis. BUT her daughter and the life Partner of that daughter smoke between 5 and 15 per day and THIS is an addiction
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Old 14.09.2015, 12:53
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Re: Smoking on the train platforms.uughh

In general, the younger you start smoking, the more "nicotine recepetors" are created in your brain. These receptors remain in the brain and are only satisfied once a nicotine molecule fills it u, which in turn stops the craving for nicotine for a while.

People who start later in life, 22 and above develop far less nicotine receptors and are much more able to control smoking and addiction, they are probably what are known as social smokers and can go for long periods (days, weeks) without craving or the need to smoke.

The receptors remain in the brain for life once they are there. The craving remains to, albeit vastly reduced, there are periods that a former smoker will seriously crave for nicotine, although these are few and far between and last for a relatively short time, so easily dealt with, by doiung something else or chewing a piece of normal gum, or eating a piece of chocolate, etc.
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Re: Smoking on the train platforms.uughh

So, i am buggered.

I started before i was 22. 16, to be honest. But didn't learn to inhale till i was around 19. Blowing smoke rings at a mirror!!

Yes, i am a smoker, yes i am addicted to nicotine.

Yes, yes , yes. Add the yeses as you are wont to do.

I am not going to stop, i am not going to become an anti smoker. Or, bejeesus, an ex smoker. Yet.

It is crossing my mind. I have cut back a bit. Winter is approaching...

I shall see. And it is not because of this thread either. My life, my health, my decision. It shall boil down to me, as a smoker who enjoys smoking and is polite to a sickening politeness towards others to do it, in my own time.

This time next year i may come back and boot this thread and complain about all the smelly smokers surrounding me when i sit on a sunny terrace - i think not. I may be snuffling like a dog after the scent of a rabbit...!!! Just that last little waft of ciggie smoke...!!

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Re: Smoking on the train platforms.uughh

Worse than smoke (for me anyway) is when I`m eating in a restaurant and someone comes in with a huge big dog and plonks down at the next table and dog settles down in the passage between us. I just cannot tolerate the "dog smell" especially when I`m eating. Can`t leave because food already ordered/busy eating.

The other is when small dogs are allowed to sit on the bench seats (or cushioned chairs) in restaurants. I didn`t realise this until I got home and my clothes smelt of dog.

Let me smell cigar/cigarette/pipe smoke rather!
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Worse than smoke (for me anyway) is when I`m eating in a restaurant and someone comes in with a huge big dog and plonks down at the next table and dog settles down in the passage between us. I just cannot tolerate the "dog smell" especially when I`m eating. Can`t leave because food already ordered/busy eating.

The other is when small dogs are allowed to sit on the bench seats (or cushioned chairs) in restaurants. I didn`t realise this until I got home and my clothes smelt of dog.

Let me smell cigar/cigarette/pipe smoke rather!
Does the smell of dog stay on your clothes and in your hair long after you have left the restaurant or is it just unpleasant (for you) whilst you are eating?
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Worse than smoke (for me anyway) is when I`m eating in a restaurant and someone comes in with a huge big dog and plonks down at the next table and dog settles down in the passage between us. I just cannot tolerate the "dog smell" especially when I`m eating. Can`t leave because food already ordered/busy eating.

The other is when small dogs are allowed to sit on the bench seats (or cushioned chairs) in restaurants. I didn`t realise this until I got home and my clothes smelt of dog.

Let me smell cigar/cigarette/pipe smoke rather!
Oh god, I completely agree with this. I don't know which one is worse. Once we were in a very nice white tablecloth, very expensive restaurant & this happened. & it was raining, so all you could smell was DOG. I couldn't enjoy my dinner after that and I was so angry.
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Old 15.09.2015, 20:15
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That brown watery stuff in North America contains caffeine?

Yes, much more than an Italian coffee.

In fact, caffeine and water are the main components, the coffee is just used as a coloring.

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Old 15.09.2015, 20:43
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Yes, much more than an Italian coffee.

In fact, caffeine and water are the main components, the coffee is just used as a coloring.

Tom

Caffeine is drawn out of coffee over time and temperature.

Italian coffee has a lot of flavour but little caffeine

American coffee (?) has a lot of caffeine (and water) and little taste
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Caffeine is drawn out of coffee over time and temperature.
Actually, it's with pressure and a lower temperature than filter coffee but don't worry, I won't groan you for writing (more) drivel.
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Actually, it's with pressure and a lower temperature than filter coffee but don't worry, I won't groan you for writing (more) drivel.
Not according to the chaps at Nespresso, but I'm sure you know best as usual Tom.
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Not according to the chaps at Nespresso, but I'm sure you know best as usual Tom.
You obviously wouldn't recognise and espresso machine if one fell on you.

Nespresso.....Ha Ha!

If that's your benchmark for good coffee then we can end this conversation now.
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You obviously wouldn't recognise and espresso machine if one fell on you.

Nespresso.....Ha Ha!

If that's your benchmark for good coffee then we can end this conversation now.
Quite possibly i'm not as smart as you Tom, but i really do think the Nespresso guys make have a little more intelligence than you when it comes to coffee, there again, maybe not.........
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Re: Smoking on the train platforms.uughh

In case I missed it in the many pages.. What's the consensus on the smell of e-cigarrettes ? That sweet sickly smell of strawberries or custard and banana or coffee and caramel etc..

Just wondering
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