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I have the lavazzo Lavazza coffee and one of those bubbly up expresso pots a moka.
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Old 16.09.2015, 15:56
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The two seem to go together.

I had someone working for me once and his retort before he started anything new was (he was Scottish) "First im going t'ave a fig and a cup o'coffee!"
Did he go to work by train per chance ?
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Old 16.09.2015, 16:09
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FTFY.

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Yup, that's it. Half price at the Migros. 15 instead of 30.
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Re: Smoking on the train platforms.uughh

Its an interesting point, however as a lot of people LOVE to smoke (or just SMOKE because they are addicted, we can argue that all day).


This will not really change, I don't like smoke in my face, but it is not necessarily a persons fault for smoking, they are allowed to legally.


Wind blowing in my direction isn't their fault.


If my expectations are not high, then I cant complain.....I just get on with it.
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Old 16.09.2015, 17:54
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Did he go to work by train per chance ?
Yes, he did.
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Old 16.09.2015, 17:57
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This will not really change, I don't like smoke in my face, but it is not necessarily a persons fault for smoking, they are allowed to legally.


Wind blowing in my direction isn't their fault.


If my expectations are not high, then I cant complain.....I just get on with it.
That's the Swiss point of view (even the non-smokers seem to agree).

The last sentence also applies to their restaurants - especially the menu choices. That's why nothing changes.
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Old 16.09.2015, 17:59
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Re: Smoking on the train platforms.uughh

I had a new one yesterday, someone who was so desperate to smoke that as he was standing by the door of the train as it was slowing down to stop. He put his cigarette in his mouth, took out his lighter and lit it, holding out the flame in front of him waiting for the door to open!
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That's why more pressure is used with espresso, to draw out the coffee oils etc at a lower temperature.
Pressure doesn't influence solubility except for gases in liquids, which doesn't apply here - the pressure is used to keep water flow speed at/near the optimum. Optimal water temperature is around 90C.

Since solubility isn't influenced by pressure, every machine will use water temperature around 90.

What happens whith low pressure is exemplified (to the extreme) by the brewers.

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It's also why freshly ground coffee is better. How much taste and aroma is left from coffee beans ground a year before use? (Oh, like in Nespresso).

But I did mention pressure.
Nespresso capsules are what's termed vacuumized, which requires 100% airtight package. Not a single molecule escapes as long as the package is tight. There may be chemical reactions within the package, but this, too, is a completely different issue.

In fact, welt.de (article in german) says that the coffee is ground and packaged under vacuum, the first time the ground coffe is said to come in contact with air is when the capsule is inserted and the package perforated. While I think that's probably a bit of an exaggeration, it does show the attention Nestle is paying to the aspect you mention.
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Old 16.09.2015, 18:47
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Pressure doesn't influence solubility except for gases in liquids, which doesn't apply here - the pressure is used to keep water flow speed at/near the optimum. Optimal water temperature is around 90C.

Since solubility isn't influenced by pressure, every machine will use water temperature around 90.

You misunderstand me.

At 90'C, with no pressure. Nothings going to happen. No coffee, nothing.

A pump is used to force the water through the coffee.

All espresso machines work the same way, and at roughly the same temperature and pressure. (even Nespresso machines)

I haven't disputed that.

However, the original discussion (in which you were not involved) was concerning that at a lower temperature (as in an espresso coffee), there was not so much caffeine).
Other methods of brewing coffee, such as a Moka pot or a filter machine involve higher temperatures and so more caffeine.



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Nespresso capsules are what's termed vacuumized, which requires 100% airtight package. Not a single molecule escapes as long as the package is tight. There may be chemical reactions within the package, but this, too, is a completely different issue.
Perhaps I was assuming that Nestle would grind a lot of coffee and then package it. Unless the grinding is done in a vacuum or is done on a per-capsule basis then the ground coffee will be standing around for some time, irrespective of whether it then goes in a vacuum sealed capsule.

Not sure why Today_Only brought Nespresso into the argument. It's a bit like bringing tinned Heinz Tomato Soup into a discussion on homemade roasted-tomato soup.

I'm not Swiss and neither am I in love with George Clooney so I'm allowed to criticize Nespresso.

P.S. My own espresso machine is Australian as outside of Italy, they do have the best espresso and seem to know what they are doing.
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Old 16.09.2015, 19:14
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You misunderstand me.

At 90'C, with no pressure. Nothings going to happen. No coffee, nothing.

A pump is used to force the water through the coffee.

All espresso machines work the same way, and at roughly the same temperature and pressure. (even Nespresso machines)

I haven't disputed that.

However, the original discussion (in which you were not involved) was concerning that at a lower temperature (as in an espresso coffee), there was not so much caffeine).
Other methods of brewing coffee, such as a Moka pot or a filter machine involve higher temperatures and so more caffeine.





Perhaps I was assuming that Nestle would grind a lot of coffee and then package it. Unless the grinding is done in a vacuum or is done on a per-capsule basis then the ground coffee will be standing around for some time, irrespective of whether it then goes in a vacuum sealed capsule.

Not sure why Today_Only brought Nespresso into the argument. It's a bit like bringing tinned Heinz Tomato Soup into a discussion on homemade roasted-tomato soup.

I'm not Swiss and neither am I in love with George Clooney so I'm allowed to criticize Nespresso.

P.S. My own espresso machine is Australian as outside of Italy, they do have the best espresso and seem to know what they are doing.
Absolute classic Tom !

DB brought in coffee somewhere around post 641 (or before/someone else) as an illustration for addiction.

I mentioned Nespresso as the guys who told me about caffeine extraction as a reply to post 675.

YOU were the one who erroneously told us about you theory of caffeine extraction (drivel in fact) and said Nespresso was shit and how wonderful something you use to make coffee is, not that we would expect anything less from you.

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No it isn't...
I am just astonished this thread is still going...
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Old 16.09.2015, 19:55
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I am just astonished this thread is still going...
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Old 16.09.2015, 20:05
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Re: Smoking on the train platforms.uughh

Yeah..so where were we.

Somebody blew smoke in my face today when getting on a train, I know these are petty annoyances that aren't worth getting worked up about..just makes one wonder where some common sense has gone
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Old 16.09.2015, 21:17
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Absolute classic Tom !

DB brought in coffee somewhere around post 641 (or before/someone else) as an illustration for addiction.

I mentioned Nespresso as the guys who told me about caffeine extraction as a reply to post 675.

YOU were the one who erroneously told us about you theory of caffeine extraction (drivel in fact) and said Nespresso was shit and how wonderful something you use to make coffee is, not that we would expect anything less from you.
You seem to be getting quite worked up about this.

It's really not worth it. Why not sit down and have a smoke and a nice cup of coffee (or a Nespresso)?
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Old 16.09.2015, 21:57
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Re: Smoking on the train platforms.uughh

I wish smokers would move downwind when they smoke, and when the wind changes direction, so should they.

Although I have a lot of regard for the superb public transport available here, I don't miss using it just for the fact that they stink. The stations and stops should be power-washed every week, with money from cigarette taxes, as part of a Swiss quality package. Would the smokers then feel entitled to smoke and make a mess even more?
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Old 16.09.2015, 21:59
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The stations and stops should be power-washed every week, with money from cigarette taxes, as part of a Swiss quality package. Would the smokers then feel entitled to smoke and make a mess even more?
They used to be cleaned a lot more regularly but cutting back on the cleaning was one of the money-saving choices that the new CEO took a few years back.
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Re: Smoking on the train platforms.uughh

I thought of this because about 15 years ago I was here visiting and was astonished to see them (the Swiss) power washing a street, that didn't look to me like it needed such in intense cleaning. Many train stations and bus station could benefit from a good, thorough scrubbing.
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We usually drink Chicco d'Oro, also at work.

Espresso in Ticino is closer to Italian espresso than in the rest of CH, but it's still much better in Italy.



They have a big factory there, but we normally buy Lavazza when there.

Most bars there use something other than Illy.

Tom

In German spaeking Switzerland the ILLY chaps lost out when their chief aggressively condemned the Swiss habit of combining coffee and milk and cream --- arrogant a...hole was one of the mildest comments
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Old 17.09.2015, 09:06
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You seem to be getting quite worked up about this.

It's really not worth it. Why not sit down and have a smoke and a nice cup of coffee (or a Nespresso)?

Not in the least Tom, but you need to be accurate in your posts if you want to make accusations and it surprises me that somebody as accurate, intelligent and so knowledgable as you, isn't.

After all, if you don't have these qualities, how can us mere mortals aspire to your dizzy heights ?
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Old 17.09.2015, 09:15
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Not in the least Tom, but you need to be accurate in your posts if you want to make accusations and it surprises me that somebody as accurate, intelligent and so knowledgable as you, isn't.

After all, if you don't have these qualities, how can us mere mortals aspire to your dizzy heights ?
I think we're back to Train platforms...
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