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Old 03.02.2011, 22:21
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OK, what's your solution? That doesn't involve the non smoking majority having to breathe in your fumes that is.
Well, first, let me say that I believe that I a considerate smoker and try to go out of my way to avoid forcing my habit on anybody else....I am most probably not very good at it but think I try.
The solution is for non-smokers to speak up if they are being effected. I would immediately appologise profusely and move away from anybody who complained. Secondly just for smokers to be more considderate through people telling them that it is effecting them and then doing something to solve it.
Education and simple common courtesy is better than laws.
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Well, first, let me say that I believe that I a considerate smoker and try to go out of my way to avoid forcing my habit on anybody else....I am most probably not very good at it but think I try.
The solution is for non-smokers to speak up if they are being effected. I would immediately appologise profusely and move away from anybody who complained. Secondly just for smokers to be more considderate through people telling them that it is effecting them and then doing something to solve it.
Education and simple common courtesy is better than laws.

See, here's the thing.

Depending upon what's going on with my health, sometimes it is "better" for me to simply buck up and breathe as best I can because if I take enough of a breath to speak up, I'll start coughing which often is taken as me giving attitude.

On a day of good weather, it really isn't so much of an issue for me, then again, on a day of good weather, the smokers tend to stand out in the open too though. On days like today, when it's cold and gray and drizzly, the smokers stand under the protection of the tram stop to get out of the weather which, due to the closeness of the air, traps the smoke more and makes it more smoky than usual - and that much harder to breathe.


Ah well, been around and around on this topic enough to know that (some) smokers feel like they're the last allowably picked on people on earth.
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I thought they banned smoking in bus stops and train stations in swiss....
Not in this way. Smoking is banned in all closed rooms, but not (yet) in outside areas.
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Well, first, let me say that I believe that I a considerate smoker and try to go out of my way to avoid forcing my habit on anybody else....I am most probably not very good at it but think I try.
The solution is for non-smokers to speak up if they are being effected. I would immediately appologise profusely and move away from anybody who complained. Secondly just for smokers to be more considderate through people telling them that it is effecting them and then doing something to solve it.
Education and simple common courtesy is better than laws.
NO, this is a non-starter. If 2 out of 10 guests smoke, the whole place smells of smoking, the whole furniture smells of smoking, and if you as a non-smoker sit down your clothes and your hair stink within 5 minutes ! You at the other hand ought to realize that the Zurich smoking ban is considerate by allowing fumoirs.

NO, a "considerate smoker" would have stopped smoking when entering a closed room of any kind, and this 50 years ago and not just when some non-smokers might "speak up"
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Well, first, let me say that I believe that I a considerate smoker and try to go out of my way to avoid forcing my habit on anybody else....I am most probably not very good at it but think I try.
The solution is for non-smokers to speak up if they are being effected. I would immediately appologise profusely and move away from anybody who complained. Secondly just for smokers to be more considderate through people telling them that it is effecting them and then doing something to solve it.
Education and simple common courtesy is better than laws.
Speak up....

Do you know how often someone who speak up gets a aggressive attitude/answers from a smoker?

How often I said to a smoker if he wouldn't mind to not smoke next to my toddler with the cigarette hanging right at her face level?

How often when I am waiting for the tram with her sitting on a bench a smoker will come to sit with us and light up?

How often a smoker will breath out his smoke right in my face, me looking heavily pregnant?

What was the answer I got on this forum not long time ago....

Yes, I was saying that I went to sit down under a cover waiting for the tram when a girl, next to me (who was there before) light up a cigarette.

Answer from smokers?

Well, she was there first, I should be the one moving. No matter if I have pain in my back, if I am not able to stand for long on my legs and if I have to stand under the rain because I try to escape from her fix!

And I am not starting on my asthma... but hey! Like smokers told me, I just have to stay at home!

If you are a considerate smoker, you are probably one of the 0.01% of the smokers who are considerate.
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(some) smokers feel like they're the last allowably picked on people on earth.
They'd better join the queue.

The Israelis, Serbs and Americans got there first...
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Re: Smoking on the train platforms.uughh

I like the idea of the yellow box for smokers. The thing is most of the train platforms that I use are outside with a covering over them and the smoke gets trapped. This week, I sat on a bench w. my Migros take away and two smokers came by and sat down next to me and both lit up while eating. What can I do? Only move, say something or inhale the fumes as I am eating my warm Swiss lunch. I just think it is a bit rude, but smokers don't think so.
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Looks like New York are going to take their smoking ban to the next level.....clicky
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Looks like New York are going to take their smoking ban to the next level.....clicky
They should just ban cars within NYC too and make everyone take the bloody subway.
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NO, a "considerate smoker" would have stopped smoking when entering a closed room of any kind, and this 50 years ago and not just when some non-smokers might "speak up"
As a considerate smoker I would NEVER smoke in a non-smoker's space, outdoors or indoors. Even my friends who are non-smokers will occasionally tell me if we are on a long car trip, have a smoke in the car, it is okay, just open the window. I refuse as I don't like to smoke around non-smokers, never have, never will.

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Speak up....
Do you know how often someone who speak up gets a aggressive attitude/answers from a smoker?
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If you are a considerate smoker, you are probably one of the 0.01% of the smokers who are considerate.
Yes, but then don't you see why it is so nessesary for me to stand up for myself. All the non-smokers think I am a dick because I enjoy the occasional smoke and all the smokers think I am spineless because I don't tell the millitant non-smokers to shove it when I am within my rights.

Screwed either way and as much as you don't want to hear it, by tarring me with the same brush as those other inconsidderate smokers, you guys are justifying the behaviour of the millitant rights smokers as a defence.

Once again, I am sorry but if you don't believe that understanding and communciation are the best possible way forward rather than having to have laws and fines and punishments and rights and all these things, then I have lost the fight and have would generally have no other choice but to choose a side. Until that happens though, I will be standing way down the other side of the platform having a quiet smoke, enjoying it where I think it is likely to irritate as few people as possible.
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Once again, I am sorry but if you don't believe that understanding and communciation are the best possible way forward rather than having to have laws and fines and punishments and rights and all these things, then I have lost the fight and have would generally have no other choice but to choose a side. Until that happens though, I will be standing way down the other side of the platform having a quiet smoke, enjoying it where I think it is likely to irritate as few people as possible.
How possibly someone cn be more understanding than the non-smokers who have been under the smoke rules?

I'll give you an exemple:

A group of 5 friends (3 non-smokers, 2 smokers) go to a restaurant. Before the ban, when asked which section to sit, the smokers will right away say smoking section. Who cares if 3 didn't smoke.

Other exemple. One restaurant coffee in Basel looks really nice, I tried to go there once. The entire grount floor was smoking area, the first floor was non-smoking. You go to the first floor and it is full of smoke coming from downstairs.... I left.

Do you think that non-smokers will be THAT vindicative if they didn't feel pushed and walked on for so long? Honestly, if communication, understanding and respect would alwayd been on the table, do you think that the situation will have come to this point? Banning?

Nope, if banning came as a solution it is because smokers weren't ready to be sensitive and respectful for more then the half of the population.

It is sad that it came to this, but I think that non-smokers got more than enough of trying and accepting and trying some more.
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Old 04.02.2011, 18:01
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It is sad that it came to this, but I think that non-smokers got more than enough of trying and accepting and trying some more.
Well I guess as usual then the more moderate of us are just going to have to live with being screwed by the inconsidderate.
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How possibly someone cn be more understanding than the non-smokers who have been under the smoke rules?

I'll give you an exemple:

A group of 5 friends (3 non-smokers, 2 smokers) go to a restaurant. Before the ban, when asked which section to sit, the smokers will right away say smoking section. Who cares if 3 didn't smoke.

Other exemple. One restaurant coffee in Basel looks really nice, I tried to go there once. The entire grount floor was smoking area, the first floor was non-smoking. You go to the first floor and it is full of smoke coming from downstairs.... I left.

Do you think that non-smokers will be THAT vindicative if they didn't feel pushed and walked on for so long? Honestly, if communication, understanding and respect would alwayd been on the table, do you think that the situation will have come to this point? Banning?

Nope, if banning came as a solution it is because smokers weren't ready to be sensitive and respectful for more then the half of the population.

It is sad that it came to this, but I think that non-smokers got more than enough of trying and accepting and trying some more.
It's not a ban, a ban is a complete removal from sale, or allow the use of smoking products.

Quick question were you were once a smoker once Nil? I have a feeling you may have posted in a thread a long time ago.

I could dig, but I'm not sure I can be bothered.
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Old 04.02.2011, 22:07
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It's not a ban, a ban is a complete removal from sale, or allow the use of smoking products.

Quick question were you were once a smoker once Nil? I have a feeling you may have posted in a thread a long time ago.

I could dig, but I'm not sure I can be bothered.
Yes I was.
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Whatever happened to live and let live? I'm not a smoker (never have been) but find it more tolerable than getting smothered in somebody else's perfume or aftershave whilst on the train.
I agree about the perfume, but I can promise you that it isn't always the worst situation to be in. Still can you imagine if you could see perfume in the air just like one can see smoke?
BTW, there are laws going on the books with regard to excessive perfume use as we "type."

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Isn't a platform outdoors? Its certainly not indoors
Outdoors isn't the issue. The issue is that a train/bus platform is a public space that one where one is required to be present to utilise the services on offer.

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It' s a shared public space where I as a non smoker should be able to escape the smoke...however this isn't happening, as smokers tend to be ignorants who light it up whenever they can...and this creates a problem for people who value their health.
This is unfortunately, incorrect. To use this word implies that the smokers who use near others in close quarters, especially children/medically compromised, are unaware that their habit is undesired or damaging or painful for a significant subset of the population. I was always amazed by the number of people who smoke at the entrances to hospitals and on children's play areas. Truth is that these people, which in all probability comprise a small number of smokers, just don't care. Their only concern is getting their next fix. The problem is simple. Nicotine is an amazingly addictive drug and tobacco is still the simplest delivery mechanism.

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To me it is..
12 years ago I was smoking in the trains, 10 years ago, smoking in the office... 8 years ago in the airplanes, 1 year ago in restaurants, and now not even outside?
I am very tolerant of smoking as long as I am not hovered around and don't smell the odours in my clothing hours later. This is the main reason that there is still a push for further restrictions. It isn't exactly fair, but every time someone who smokes lights up next to someone else who isn't smoking, when they can't escape, it just reinforces the feeling that there is still too much abuse to the non-smokers.

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Calm down. I dont think the smokers intentionally blow smoke in your face. You were just unlucky to be caught in that cloud of smoke haze.

Smoking has already been banned indoors - and as a smoker, I welcome that myself. Sure I concede that some smokers should be more considerate - especially smoking near pregnant women etc but to whinge about outdoor smoke, and getting it caught in your hair, is something that cant be controlled - like farting. You cant control someone's right to fart, and where the smell whiffs to, can you?

And yes, some farts are just as lethal as cigg smoke. The only way to eradicate this problem is to ban tobacco altogether, and I really dont see that happening.
I agree. Most smokers don't deliberately blow smoke in peoples faces, etc. But, that doesn't stop some sociopaths from almost burning my child's face because they can't control their glowing cigarette end in crowded streets. This doesn't even begin to address the issue of the smoke from lit cigarettes at child head height because people don't even want to breathe their own smoke unless it is through the filter.

Oh and BTW, if farts clung to cloth and hair like tobacco smoke, I would want them banned in public too. The real difference is that, as far as I can tell, most people who fart don't do it willingly and with deliberate intent.

The sad truth is that it was once in the hands of the smokers to stop this social legislation. Once! But the general impression left, on those of us who don't smoke and are in the majority, is that smokers have no ability to negotiate the implied social contract and control their behaviour. So the time has come and gone for self regulation and the lawmakers are doing it for us all.
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most people who fart don't do it willingly and with deliberate intent.
You must keep very civilised company!
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I have heard of one person that was removed from their job because of it.
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Is it me or can no one else take the smoking here? Why is it allowed to smoke on train platforms while waiting for the train. The smokers aren't even polite smokers. Always have cigarette smoke blown in my face and stuck in my hair. I can't take it anymore. I get caught before I can even get to the warm "non smoking room". It's making me crazy!
Non smoker here.

Ban in Restaurants: OK.
Ban in Bars: Iffy-
Ban on airplanes: OK.
Ban in offices: OK.
Ban in trains: Sort of OK, but since there were always clearly marked smoking areas that people happily complied with, this might slip into the realm of OTT.
Ban on train platform: C'mon, get a grip. Stand away from the people smoking. People have gone from tolerating it to demonizing it. How do you know people aren't irritated when you get a cell phone call and spend 15 minutes rabbiting on about rubbish? It's the same thing. Do you wear perfume? A lot of people don't like that either.
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Speak up....

Do you know how often someone who speak up gets a aggressive attitude/answers from a smoker?

How often I said to a smoker if he wouldn't mind to not smoke next to my toddler with the cigarette hanging right at her face level?

How often when I am waiting for the tram with her sitting on a bench a smoker will come to sit with us and light up?

How often a smoker will breath out his smoke right in my face, me looking heavily pregnant?

What was the answer I got on this forum not long time ago....

Yes, I was saying that I went to sit down under a cover waiting for the tram when a girl, next to me (who was there before) light up a cigarette.

Answer from smokers?

Well, she was there first, I should be the one moving. No matter if I have pain in my back, if I am not able to stand for long on my legs and if I have to stand under the rain because I try to escape from her fix!

And I am not starting on my asthma... but hey! Like smokers told me, I just have to stay at home!

If you are a considerate smoker, you are probably one of the 0.01% of the smokers who are considerate.
I think you should consult an astronomy text. You'll realize that the entire solar system does not revolve around you. You sound awfully self-centered, which doesn't seem so apparent in your other posts. Seriously, if you were a car driver, would you insist that everyone get out of your way? Do you also insist that everyone speak English in your presence?
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