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Old 04.05.2011, 14:47
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Re: Please help get knie to stop using animals

I have a much bigger problem with small circuses that cannot provide properly for their animals for finacial reasons and I always told my kids when these were in town that we were not going because they don't treat their animals properly. But with somebody like Knie I think it's a different cup of tea. Believe me there are enough animal rights activists in Switzerland and if anything was even close to cruelty Knie would have been closed down years ago.
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Old 04.05.2011, 14:48
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Of course you didn't. They're performing in front of children, so you won't see any whipping or kicking. I have no experience with KNIE per se, but circuses in general are known for cruel training methods, something that isn't open to the public.
Ah but it is. The animals overwinter in Rapperswil and you are quite welcome to pop in and watch them training.
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Old 04.05.2011, 14:49
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They are not wild animals. They are captive bred and wouldn't survive in the wild .
Sure they would, until malnutrition set in due to the amazing number of parasites they collect on and in their bodies, and they then get eaten by predators. Just like non-captive born wild animals .
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AFAIK, in CH, animal rights are pretty low down on the list of priorities.

As I recall, it was only recently that animal rights were introduced, and a couple of years after this, there was a motion tabled to remove or reduce the rights - unless my memory is bad.

The point of all this, is that it comes as little surprise to me that you've had difficulty finding any group to complain with/join as the concept of animal rights is in CH a pretty recent development.

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They had a vote about establishing animal rights lawyers in every canton, not at all about removing or reducing animal rights.
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Old 04.05.2011, 14:52
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Re: Please help get knie to stop using animals

I don't know if Knie is the best place to start. Have a look at the Swiss animal protection report on Knie's animals: http://www.tierschutz.com/zirkusbericht/knie_start.html
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Old 04.05.2011, 14:57
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Yes, very sensible going to these idiots. They once "liberated" the gun dogs at a college farm where I worked. Both dogs killed on the roads within the hour. They also let out all the ferret kits which we never saw again - assumed taken by buzzards. Not to forget they have been involved in fire-bombings, attempted murder, and other terrorist crimes resulting in some of their members being jailed for 12 years.

Grow up fcs.
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Old 04.05.2011, 15:01
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If KNIE stopped using clowns, then I'd be happy to go. Until then, I'm boycotting.
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Old 04.05.2011, 15:01
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They are not wild animals. They are captive bred and wouldn't survive in the wild .
Who? The clowns? Yes, I totally agree, no one could ever take them seriously in daily life. Trying to buy a loaf of bread with that ridiculous smiley face would scare the living crap out of anyone early in the morning.
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Old 04.05.2011, 15:03
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Who? The clowns? Yes, I totally agree, no one could ever take them seriously in daily life. Trying to buy a loaf of bread with that ridiculous smiley face would scare the living crap out of anyone early in the morning.
I'm seriously scared of clowns. Do not release them. Ever.
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Old 04.05.2011, 15:08
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Re: Please help get knie to stop using animals

Imagine the chaos if all the captive animals were set free. Would you happy waiting for Daisy to meander across Burkliplatz at 8am because she was free and fancied wondering up Bahnhofstrasse to see what had become of her non-Swiss cousins.

How would you like to queue behind her as she picked up some bovine dental care products in Migros - only for her to have a call of nature?

Are you suggesting that cows would have to wear nappies? That sounds a bit like animal cruelty to me.

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Ah but it is. The animals overwinter in Rapperswil and you are quite welcome to pop in and watch them training.

You can also watch practice every morning during the season,..i was there last week
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Old 04.05.2011, 15:14
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I'm seriously scared of clowns. Do not release them. Ever.
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Old 04.05.2011, 15:15
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Imagine the chaos if all the captive animals were set free. Would you happy waiting for Daisy to meander across Burkliplatz at 8am because she was free and fancied wondering up Bahnhofstrasse to see what had become of her non-Swiss cousins.

How would you like to queue behind her as she picked up some bovine dental care products in Migros - only for her to have a call of nature?

Are you suggesting that cows would have to wear nappies? That sounds a bit like animal cruelty to me.


This is actually quite interesting. If we didn't have domesticated animals and hence their products like meat and milk, then we would need to turn all the available grassland over to protein production. End result we'd have to kill all the animals and maybe cows would then only be seen in zoos.
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You can also watch practice every morning during the season,..i was there last week
I have some odd vision of elephants in tracksuits with towels draped round their necks.

Perhaps I should lay off the coffee for a while...
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Old 04.05.2011, 15:18
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You had me interested right up until you linked to the website of a group included as domestic terrorists in the US.

Also, WTF! You're not Kittster! What have you done with her?
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Re: Please help get knie to stop using animals

Animal welfare is a topic near and dear to my heart. I applaud efforts to raise awareness of animal welfare issues, and I understand the general philosophical objection to the use of wild animals in circuses - although as a pet owner I would be guilty of hypocrisy if I were to condemn all forms of 'captivity'...

I'm afraid I don't know enough about Knie to be able to comment here.

BUT a general comment about tackling animal welfare concerns...

My experience has been that a more effective way to bring about change is to work with specifics, facts, and evidence. If you have evidence of abuse, or even a well grounded suspicion, please contact the authorities right away.

But it is best not to make vague accusations or to tar an individual or group with the sins of a wider industry unless you can substantiate specific instances. Doing so can actually be counter-productive to helping animals, as one - and the specific cause one supports, and ultimately animal welfare campaigning in general - looses credibility in the public mind.

And let's face it: critical to promoting animal welfare issues is winning human hearts and minds.




* I'm am seriously coulrophobic, and so avoid circuses... Heck, I can't even sit through a performance of Pagliacci
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And let's face it: critical to promoting animal welfare issues is winning human hearts and minds.
And you don't do that by firebombing pensioners.
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Imagine the chaos if all the captive animals were set free. Would you happy waiting for Daisy to meander across Burkliplatz at 8am because she was free and fancied wondering up Bahnhofstrasse to see what had become of her non-Swiss cousins.

How would you like to queue behind her as she picked up some bovine dental care products in Migros - only for her to have a call of nature?

Are you suggesting that cows would have to wear nappies? That sounds a bit like animal cruelty to me.

I thought it was common for elephants to wander the Zurich streets

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....y'all need to hide your kids, hide your wife, hide your husband, hide yer elephant's 'cause they're raping everyone out here...
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