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Old 05.05.2011, 00:06
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yes beating animals for our entertainment is the same as animal farm handling... because circuses are crucial...yes?
beating animals is WRONG ! And modern circuses do NOT do so
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Old 05.05.2011, 00:14
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beating animals is WRONG ! And modern circuses do NOT do so
yes they do, they beat them bloody for our entertainment:
http://asianelephantstoday.com/2011/...lephant-abuse/
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Old 05.05.2011, 00:18
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Isn't that politically incorrect?
Yes.

So?

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to be fair only 875 have been documented.

that not more have survived is neither the fault of the zoos nor of the circuses but to a good part of the rest of mankind. People like Bernhard Grzimek (director of the Frankfurt zoo) have done a lot to keep alive what still was alive.

http://www.daserste.de/wwiewissen/be...b4s9due~cm.asp
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Old 05.05.2011, 00:40
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You mean "does break routine" ? Well, just look at this

http://www.videoportal.sf.tv/video?i...f-beb327d697f1

The Zurich City Police is quite proficient in dealing with animals. It takes care of duck-mothers with their offspring when being "enroute" in the city, catches "deserted" snakes, etc.

Can we call theme ,next time we have a loss moose , Bear or withe tale in the city of Ottawa
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Old 05.05.2011, 00:42
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beating animals is WRONG ! And modern circuses do NOT do so
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yes they do, they beat them bloody for our entertainment:
http://asianelephantstoday.com/2011/...lephant-abuse/
From the post you quoted (made in 2010)
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If true, this took place around 1975. Other posts, and information through a quick search of the internet suggest that this is not happening now.

Welfare of Circus Animals report

Obituary - Rolf Knie

Obituary - Fredy Knie
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Old 05.05.2011, 00:47
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As a child, I cried and cried for days after my dad took us to see the old bear pit! New site is much much better - even though I still hate to see animals in any kind of zoo.
Did you ever see a baer in the wild ?
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yes they do, they beat them bloody for our entertainment:
http://asianelephantstoday.com/2011/...lephant-abuse/

No zoo does beat the animals for entertainment

And your film does neither show nor prove anything to the contrary
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Old 05.05.2011, 00:51
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yes beating animals for our entertainment is the same as animal farm handling... because circuses are crucial...yes?
Nuts like you belong in the Zoo,the squirrel's needs you
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Old 05.05.2011, 00:52
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Can we call theme ,next time we have a loss moose , Bear or withe tale in the city of Ottawa

I hope that the City Police of Ottawa copes ! But I am quite confident that the one of Zurich could also cope, as usual with the support by Zurich-Zoo and Circus-Kniee, with mooses and bears
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Old 05.05.2011, 00:58
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I hope that the City Police of Ottawa copes ! But I am quite confident that the one of Zurich could also cope, as usual with the support by Zurich-Zoo and Circus-Kniee, with mooses and bears
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/Wild+an...547/story.html
http://ottawa.ctv.ca/servlet/an/loca...hub=OttawaHome
http://www.tillsonburgnews.com/Artic...true&e=2073382


Read this. Wild animal are a nuisance

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While Fredy was only two years younger than her [1918-2008] (apparently in the same class for a while --- possibly as being in a circus is not exactly speeding up your education) my mother had Rolf Knie far higher up in her regard, basically on emotional reasons as they were your uncles you may know better why
Sorry I don't know. Actually, Magrit, their mother, was a second great-aunt of mine (not even the same blood line). I knew Fredy better than Rolf, and I knew Fredy's sons bests, especially Rolf Jr. (who is not Rolf Sr's son, mind you). He is one year younger than I.
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Old 05.05.2011, 08:23
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No zoo does beat the animals for entertainment

And your film does neither show nor prove anything to the contrary
not my film though...also I still believe that animals are not doing well I circuses, some months ago I was "forced" to go to a circus with animals, and it was one of the most unpleasant events in my life, felt really bizarre and unreal...I couldn't see any entertainment value at all...

also:
http://www.peta.org/issues/Animals-i...-of-abuse.aspx

funny how people think that elephants are like dogs which can be trained with a some candy...really......

Most circuses are families with long history in the business, they never cared about these animals and they never will...
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Re: Please help get knie to stop using animals

Knie is the only circus with aniumals that I have been to as an adult. I was enthralled all the way through. Has anyone seen the black and white duck routine? I have no idea how they trained those ducks to do the different formations, but as someone who has had pet ducks in the past, I found it fascinating. And they were not unhappy, maltreated ducks.

More worrisome to me, have been some human ircus acts that I have seen - those manipulated positions that some children get into, has left me feeling rather perturbed as to how they are "trained" to be able to get into such positions. And they were definitely not smiling.
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Most circuses are families with long history in the business, they never cared about these animals and they never will...
Had you written this in 1911, it would have been acceptable. But to say that they do not care about their animals is incorrect, to put it politely
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... they never cared about these animals and they never will...
That is a libelous, and profoundly ignorant comment.
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You cannot compare bullfighting with Knie. Bullfighting results in cruel pain and death. This does not happen with Knie. Please do no exaggerate.
Sure you can, if you ignore facts and turn into an ill-informed, knee-jerk reactionary ALF fu€ktard.

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also I still believe that animals are not doing well I circuses,
Unfortunately, what you believe seems to be at odds with documented reality.

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I was "forced" to go to a circus with animals
How were you forced. Were you beaten bloody? Were you incapable of saying, "Actually, no. I don't want to go."?

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it was one of the most unpleasant events in my life
Were you incapable of standing up and walking out when you saw these acts of cruelty? (Or perhaps you saw none)

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it was one of the most unpleasant events in my life
I hope it stays that way. The most unpleasant event in my life was watching my sister get gored to death by a "liberated" pit pony. Go figure.
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...just look into the eyes of these animals
I have. Have you?
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The most unpleasant event in my life was watching my sister get gored to death by a "liberated" pit pony. Go figure.
OMG What an awful thing to happen.
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