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Old 05.05.2011, 14:25
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Re: Please help get knie to stop using animals

This Thread is just brilliant for a game of "Spot the Logical Fallacy"
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Old 05.05.2011, 14:33
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Forcing animals to do acts for our entertainment is mistreatment...

http://www.peta.org/issues/animals-i.../circuses.aspx
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It is the vegetarian argument.

You think it is wrong.

Doesn't mean it is.
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Old 05.05.2011, 14:39
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Re: Please help get knie to stop using animals

Some links:

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/Home/Arc...ml?cid=3822020

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...d-stabbed.html

100 Percent of Major Circuses:
Every major circus featuring animals has been cited for violations of the minimal standards of care under the Animal Welfare Act. The very nature of traveling circuses means that beyond cruel, highly abusive training and fear-induced performances, the elephants and other animals must also endure countless hours and days confined in boxcars and trailers.

(http://news.change.org/stories/anima...ocking-numbers)

More and more countries are banning animals from the circus, due to the reason that animals are not doing well, so just get over it...it will be a thing of the past.

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perhaps I am hypocrite, I'm a meat eater and have leather shoes,
And I guess tha's ok then that the animals you eat and whose skin you wear live under conditions too cruel to imagine? It's ok to support the meat industry?

I bet any of these unhappy creatures would love to trade with an animal in the circus knie.
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<sigh>

It is the vegetarian argument.

You think it is wrong.

Doesn't mean it is.
And he isn't even a vegetarian.
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yes when the trainer pointing his stick you can clearly see the reaction of the animals...IF the animals were trained "stick or whipless" why are the trainers still using them?
It is used for guidance.
A bit like an extended hand you know. Any animals, be it cows, sheep, horses, gooses what have you, need to be guided somehow.
In the circus, the principle is the same.

With a stick or a whip you are free to use it either way, for good or for bad. To guide or to hurt. Simples. What do you think?
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Old 05.05.2011, 14:44
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And I guess tha's ok then that the animals you eat and whose skin you wear live under conditions too cruel to imagine? It's ok to support the meat industry?
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...All I said was:
1. I don't like that animals are used for our entertainment
2. I do not believe it's possible to train wild animals with a sugar cube (i.e. stick and whipless)...
Which is fine. You're entitled to believe the moon is made from cream cheese, if you want. But the problem is that you've attempted to back up your beliefs with deeply flawed arguments - that is, when you're not vilifying your opponents.

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please send me the link about the investigation that west european circuses are all training animals without beating them...
Sure. Would you like one showing that the Illuminati aren't putting martian radiation into electric light bulbs at the same time? I can see it now on the front cover of the Daily Mail. SHOCK report shows that circuses aren't abusing animals - questions asked in the House.

No. It's up to the accusers to provide evidence. If you've got any, put it before the relevant authorities and put a stop to it.
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Old 05.05.2011, 14:49
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And I guess tha's ok then that the animals you eat and whose skin you wear live under conditions too cruel to imagine? It's ok to support the meat industry?

I bet any of these unhappy creatures would love to trade with an animal in the circus knie.
Also it's a huge different between farm animals and wild animals which live their lives in a lorry...and I have never seen a cow or a pig in chain or beaten with a stick...

What I have seen, farm animals have very good condition, of course it was not always like that, but thanks to animal groups it got better, and I hope it will get better in terms ban of circuses, bull/cook-fighting and fur-industry - ban them all - ban them all to hell!!
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Which is fine. You're entitled to believe the moon is made from cream cheese, if you want. But the problem is that you've attempted to back up your beliefs with deeply flawed arguments - that is, when you're not vilifying your opponents.

Sure. Would you like one showing that the Illuminati aren't putting martian radiation into electric light bulbs at the same time? I can see it now on the front cover of the Daily Mail. SHOCK report shows that circuses aren't abusing animals - questions asked in the House.

No. It's up to the accusers to provide evidence. If you've got any, put it before the relevant authorities and put a stop to it.
just asked for an independent report...
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Old 05.05.2011, 14:55
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Also it's a huge different between farm animals and wild animals which live their lives in a lorry...and I have never seen a cow or a pig in chain or beaten with a stick...
Of course they're not in chains. They have so little space they can't move anyway.
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Old 05.05.2011, 14:55
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Forcing animals to do acts for our entertainment is mistreatment...

http://www.peta.org/issues/animals-i.../circuses.aspx

Indeed, we should eat them instead!

MMMM, I could really go for some whale tartar, think I'll book a trip to Norway soon.

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P.S. I really DO like whale tartar , and yes, you can get it in Norway!
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It is used for guidance.
A bit like an extended hand you know. Any animals, be it cows, sheep, horses, gooses what have you, need to be guided somehow.
In the circus, the principle is the same.

With a stick or a whip you are free to use it either way, for good or for bad. To guide or to hurt. Simples. What do you think?
I guess you make a good point...how about the chains?
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Re: Please help get knie to stop using animals

When a problem is perceived, the concerned parties investigate. If people with a vested interest in finding abuse haven't found anything worth talking about, why anyone neutral commission a report?

Would you call for an independent investigation into the religious oppression of Catholics in the Vatican state?
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Old 05.05.2011, 14:58
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Re: Please help get knie to stop using animals

Have a good look it the eyes of this hippo
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I never said that my emotions was the evidence (sounds incredible stupid),
It just make me sick to see that these animals are not doing well in that environment...yes yes I know it's my observation and my conclusion, I'm not here to change somebody's mind, it's a forum ffs...
So, basically, you're making an accusation of animal abuse without any verifiable evidence in hand, is that where we're at?
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Re: Please help get knie to stop using animals

Just look what can be done with a glass of wine and some NUT`S
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I guess you make a good point...how about the chains?
Some women really like them. Whips too.

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I guess you make a good point...how about the chains?
Well chains or robes... It's the same thing. Use it wisely. Besides you need to keep those animals in place somehow no?!
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Blinkers are usually made of leather you animal sadist
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