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Old 03.07.2013, 09:44
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Strange is that Swiss chocolate and Mövenpick ice-cream is cheaper on the German side of the border than here.
Don't know about Movenpick ice-cream, but chocolate is cheaper here than in Italy.

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The federal authority in charge is dominated by former employees of the "industry" who take care that foreign products only get into Switzerland in a reduced way so that the pharma-mafia can exert its control. THIS is how things work
The term "mafia" gets mentioned quite often when discussing price disparity with our neighbours. Theoretically everything should be at least 10% cheaper here.

On fuel I doubt it is duty that makes it more expensive than say Austria. There is a big disparity within Switzerland itself. I've seen a 15 rappen difference per litre between the north east and the south west. And the last time I checked the petrol stations near the border (with Austria) they were almost the same price as across the border. (In 2010 English forum was reporting that Switzerland was cheaper than its neighbours, and fuel tourism was rife, but they soon sorted that one out!)

Oil price is now about the same as last year but the fuel price in my area is 15% more expensive.

Its simply good old capitalism at work.
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In 2010 English forum was reporting that Switzerland was cheaper than its neighbours, and fuel tourism was rife, but they soon sorted that one out!
How so? Fuel here is 25% cheaper than the neighbors, plenty people come to Switzerland to buy fuel (my wife's cousin even comes here on his scooter to buy fuel).

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Oil price is now about the same as last year but the fuel price in my area is 15% more expensive.
It's pretty much the same price here as last year (CHF 1.75/liter)

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Old 03.07.2013, 10:33
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One Swiss massage therapist offered to record some music on my iPod for only 180chf plus a massage. What a gesture! How generous. First he offered "help" and later he decided to charge.

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How so? Fuel here is 25% cheaper than the neighbours, plenty people come to Switzerland to buy fuel (my wife's cousin even comes here on his scooter to buy fuel).



It's pretty much the same price here as last year (CHF 1.75/liter)

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Yes, Switzerland varies a lot. Which area are you in? Diesel here (Skt Gallen area) is approx Euro 1.50 (CHF 1.85), across in Austria Euro 1.35 abouts. Although I don't understand why people tank up in another country, unless they happen to be going that way. I could save maybe 15 CHF on a full tank, but it would take me an hour there and back and quite frankly I think I'm worth more than 15CHF per hour an can think of more fun things to do with my time (like posting on English forum).

Maybe your wife's cousin comes because he enjoys the ride, it can't be for the savings. If he averages 100km/l and does a return journey of 20km and the tank is 10L and the fuel price difference is 20% then he could save a whopping CHF3. But when he gets back the tank is no longer full so he cannot make as many local trips as he could have had he tanked locally.
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What's not a rip-off are the BIG sales at Migros and Micasa. They occasionally (like right now) have a sale where items (mostly furniture, household goods, etc) are 75% off and you might be thinking, yeah 75% off what price. But really, I've seen markdown prices on GOOD stuff as cheap or cheaper than buying at a brokenstübe or my shopping experiences in the US.
In my experience most "sales" are just ploys to get people into their shops. I often see that the sale items are only available during the sale. i.e. they bring cheap stuff in, say it is 70% reduced. Most items, these are the regular items, don't have any discount at all, and some have only a minimal discount. I've stopped bothering to go to these so called "sales". In England "Ausverkauf" generally meant a rebuilding or closing down sale, but in Switzerland it often appears to mean they have bought in "dumped" goods from some country advertised it as 50% less, and the rest is business as usual.
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Re: Swiss rip-offs

Let me share my bad experience lately:
went to a swiss hairdresser in ZH Oerlikon and didn't check the price list before.
Turned out that a haircut costs 70 CHF.
And it was not really something special...
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Old 03.07.2013, 21:08
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Let me share my bad experience lately:
went to a swiss hairdresser in ZH Oerlikon and didn't check the price list before.
Turned out that a haircut costs 70 CHF.
And it was not really something special...
You are lucky, when I had long hair, it used to cost me a minimum of 120 CHF only for the cutting part...
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Re: Swiss rip-offs

Indeed. It sucks when the taxi charge 20 CHF for a 7 minutes' ride (1 person, daytime); or the hairdresser 200 CHF for a hair styling, or 5.80 CHF for a basket of strawberries (500 gr).

But IMO with the salary we get here (btw : nobody claims "switzerlanded" for the salary ), we can't expect to pay low price here...
...and the services/goods from the company that pays our salary are probably as well considered as ripp-offs / unafordable / expensive / by taxi, hairdesser-saloon/restaurants owners etc....

We all want - and need - to earn a decent salary here, we are all in a same boat.

Of course, ripp-offs exist in Switzerland, but it's a world phenomenon.
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You are lucky, when I had long hair, it used to cost me a minimum of 120 CHF only for the cutting part...
Which is one of the reasons why I never go to a hairdresser and keep my hair just long. In fact it is long enough I can cut the ends myself when they get thin.
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Don't know about Movenpick ice-cream, but chocolate is cheaper here than in Italy.

Tom
Most likely the result of the Italian taxation system S which to me at least look weird and not understandable. Another reason may be the usual Italian DISorganisation. Compare France and Germany. Based on the lower cost-base of France, things should be much cheaper in France, but in reality lots of things are cheaper in expensive Germany. Reason ? Germany is well organised and France is not
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Indeed. It sucks when the taxi charge 20 CHF for a 7 minutes' ride (1 person, daytime); or the hairdresser 200 CHF for a hair styling, or 5.80 CHF for a basket of strawberries (500 gr).

But IMO with the salary we get here (btw : nobody claims "switzerlanded" for the salary ), we can't expect to pay low price here...
...and the services/goods from the company that pays our salary are probably as well considered as ripp-offs / unafordable / expensive / by taxi, hairdesser-saloon/restaurants owners etc....

We all want - and need - to earn a decent salary here, we are all in a same boat.

Of course, ripp-offs exist in Switzerland, but it's a world phenomenon.
the difference is, on average, not proportional.
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Let me share my bad experience lately:
went to a swiss hairdresser in ZH Oerlikon and didn't check the price list before.
Turned out that a haircut costs 70 CHF.
And it was not really something special...
I've only been in Switzerland 2 weeks (Basel), but one of the first things I noticed was just how many hairdressers there were, compared with my reference base of London. There seems to be loads of them.
I guess if they charge that much, it's a profitable business!
Thankfully my clippers turn up tomorrow in my priority shipment so I can continue cutting my own hair.
Perhaps I should charge 50CHF a time to other people in my apartment building?!
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Old 10.07.2013, 20:48
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Perhaps I should charge 50CHF a time to other people in my apartment building?!
My daughter charges CHF 40-50 for friends, but for me it's free (though I do tip her CHF 30).

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Just been looking at a new tools catalogue from the UK and comparing it to an old 2009 Swiss catalogue, ( I doubt Swiss prices have reduced). Looking at ordinary average small power tools from the likes of DeWalt and Bosch the Swiss prices are double the UK ones for exactly the same model and that's including the UK 20% VAT. The motto is now if you want tools look at the UK, even with delivery costs etc the saving is worthwhile.
On another Swiss rip off, just been to the dentist, which we know is expensive here, but a crown broke so needed quick treatment, emergency repair done, then asked for an estimate for some other work, not urgent, I could go to my old dentist in London, with two nights in hotel and return flights and still have change from the Swiss quote, needless to say I am going to London.
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One rip-off I have found is sauna at Switzerland. One session 60CHF. Let`s say you normally use sauna somewhat two times per week = 480CHF per month, sounds a bit high priced to me
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Let me give you 02 examples from when we lived in Basel earlier.
We asked for our Internet to be installed and took it from Swisscom.
They said Installation charges would be applicable. We asked how much it would be and they said 60 odd franks. Then the gentleman came. But he bought an apprentice. They took One Hour and 10 minutes for setting it up. And then he charged me CHF 420. 120 per hour for him. 80 per hour for the apprentice. Total billing for 02 hours. And then 20 CHF for transport. So something which should have cost me CHF 60 ended up costing me CHF 420!! When I asked him why did he need to bring an apprentice, he said that it was part of the programme. So I asked why was I paying for him, he said it was part of the programme!!

In another instance, my wife was travelling in a cab and suddenly fell sick and ended throwing up. We offered to pay for the clean-up. The cabbie sent us a bill of CHF 1200!! He asked us if we had insurance and we foolishly said Yes. Then he sent us a bill for CHF 1200 as lost wages for 03 days. Insurance company offered to re-imburse us a maximum of CHF 100!!

These two incidents were incredibly disappointing. I almost feel like we were taken for a ride because we wanted to be fair and polite.
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Let me give you 02 examples from when we lived in Basel earlier.

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In another instance, my wife was travelling in a cab and suddenly fell sick and ended throwing up. We offered to pay for the clean-up. The cabbie sent us a bill of CHF 1200!! He asked us if we had insurance and we foolishly said Yes. Then he sent us a bill for CHF 1200 as lost wages for 03 days. Insurance company offered to re-imburse us a maximum of CHF 100!!

These two incidents were incredibly disappointing. I almost feel like we were taken for a ride because we wanted to be fair and polite.
Did your wife fall ill on a Friday? If so, it seems reasonable that the cabbie might not have been able to get the cab cleaned until the next Monday, which would indeed result in approximately three days of lost wages.

The dry cleaners I utilize takes four or five business days to get my dry cleaning done, so I don't find it surprising that it would take a couple of days to have the cab cleaned.

If the cabbie had not cleaned the cab, then we would see a post along the lines of "I can't believe I had to pay Swiss cab rates for a cab that smelled like vomit -- shall I call and complain to the gemeinde, the gendarmerie, a lawyer, or all three?"
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Re: Swiss rip-offs

I have found the only way to stop getting ripped off by so called tradesmen is to get them to give you a written quote for the job, they will probably charge for it, but unless they can prove they had to do something extra that was unforeseen the quote if agreed is what you pay. A lot don't like giving written quotes and will try and fob you off with a verbal estimate, totally worthless unless you know you can trust the tradesman. Don't be fobbed of with the Swiss quality of the tradesmen, whilst there are still a few good tradesmen, most are at best average and probably not Swiss, but charging Swiss prices. I recently did the snagging on a new property for a friend who is moving here and the quality of the workmanship was at best very average, certainly not "Swiss Quality"
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The corruption of the landlords. I haven't heard of anybody that haven't been ripped off when moving out.
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