What trains are you using on all the trains I get on in Winterthur and Zurich people usually wait for the exiting people to get off.On average here train and bus users a lot more polite then elsewhere in the world. The number of people on this forum that seem to be using it as an excuse for some one off experience

What I will agree is that once the people getting off have done so that its every person fr themselves and if you want a seat in peak hour move fast if you want a good seat which I have no problem doing

I disagree the OP has not made a correct observation at least not in the Zurich area

No.

I've been first off a train on more occasions that I wish to count and simply stood (blocking the doorway) asking people to get out of the way as there was nowhere for me to go as everyone was clambering to get on.

No. See above.

Hahahhahahahaa.

The best thing is having a 5 year old with you which then allows you to say in an unnecessarily loud voice "Let's stand back and let these people off, it's VERY bad manners to push your way onto a train before all the people are off, isn't it?"

To which my son then asks in rather a disgruntled voice (in English) "Why are you speaking German to me, mummy?"

I agree that this is pretty rare, at least in the Zürich area. OP should try Germany where I have seen exiting people literally knocked over by the scrum trying to shove their way onto the bus.

Most of the things people complain about on this forum regarding the Swiss (if they really are all Swiss - 1 in 5 isn't) have never or rarely happened to me. I never have any trouble with getting on or off trains, or trams, or anything else. I've rarely been tail-gated, or cut-up. The few times I've had a knock on my car in my absence there's always been a contact note left, I've had no problem with queues, service in general is good everywhere, including down at the town hall, (better everywhere than in most other countries), I find driving standards much higher than in any other country I have driven in, there's lots to do, I don't have any cause to walk about complaining of being bored, I've never had any trouble with my landlords, laundry rooms, neighbours, and so on.

And I have been here almost fifty years, have always had the most helpful neighbours, pleasant colleaugues at work, had lots of fun and laughed a lot and so on -

There, I've said it.

I've often wondered if it wouldn't make sense to have a one door for on and one door for off approach. Most, if not all, carriages have doors front and rear. Make the exit door to the rear, say, and the entry door to the front, and then there will be no clash of people and may speed up the transfer.

Of course, this is in the absence of people being polite and standing back and allowing exiting passengers off first.

So, basically, what you're saying is that all this bad stuff does happen but after 50 years you block it out

No, I don't 'block it out' whatever that may mean. It's simply a balanced and objective way of looking at life in a country that offers many more advantages than most if you're not afraid of being independent and getting on with life. I'll repeat; these sorts of things complained about just don't and haven't happened to me to any extent that makes them a Swiss thing - it's as if those who enter this country are suddenly confronted with a reality that they didn't have in the country they stem from - in spite, for instance, of having travelled on the London Undergound in the rush hour, where, to stay on topic, is a place where pushing and shoving, squeezing and twisting is the norm.

Isn't it funny? I've found the exact opposite. I completely agree with the OP on this one and constantly find myself getting infuriated with people trying to push on the bus/train before I've got off. However, every time I travel on the London Underground, people let me off before trying to get on (apart from maybe rush hour). I was even there right at the start of the Olympics and found the same thing.

It's true, life is what you make it!!!!!!

Erm... not sure how that fits in with my post, but ok. Sound advice in any situation, I suppose!

You mention the Tube. Why do you not speak about the METRO in PARIS ? Try to get off the line -1- at Châtelet in peak-times .
You neither speak about the Piraeus-Line from Omonia in Athens, nor about the underground rail in Milano !
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Please abstain from saying that this is not relevant, as it is.

Because I used the Metro once about 6 years ago and don't really remember it and I've never used the other two. I don't really feel qualified to comment on them.

Alright, but did you ever change between Circle Line/ District Line and Central Lane at Notting Hill Gate ? Trained there the Catch-as-catch-can necessary to survive Try to get around at Oxford Circus, for instance changing from the Bakerloo Line to Central Line, also a nice thing indeed

I see you know my mother

good one