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Re: Laundry room

That's provided you receive permission from the Landlord...

I think this system is very efficient....
.... for spreading around viruses and allergies.
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As usual it is cost. Cheaper to buy one big machine than 8 small ones.
No wonder when washers that are going in Germany for €399 are sold for CHF 1500 here...

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.... for spreading around viruses and allergies.
Back when I had to use a shared washer I always did a 95 degree load first.
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Are there agency/landlord issues with installing washing machines in your flat if there are none there already. There may be issues with higher voltage too?
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Sometimes I need them the next day, So started hanging them on a clothes rack in my appartment by the windows.. now was told I am not to bring the clothes up to my appartment.no where to hang them, lines are full.
Surely that can't be enforced? Where would such a rule leave those of us who prefer to always handwash some of our clothes?

Plus, how dry is still "wet?" Are they going to start measuring the moisture content of your clothes before approving them for taking back to your apartment?

ANd who is to say that you are hanging up wet clothes in your apartment ( I presume that someone has seen clothes hanging, by peering in your windows) You could quite easily simply keep your dry clothes out airing on that rack - I certainly hang clothes out to air at times, especially at the change of season, just to keep them all fresh.
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Are there agency/landlord issues with installing washing machines in your flat if there are none there already. There may be issues with higher voltage too?
If there isn't a machine already I would write to the landlord/agency and ask about the procedure for installing one. We needed to ask permission and at first we were only granted permission for a really diddy machine. We wrote back saying that with kids we'd really prefer a big machine (knowing full well that our neighbours had full sized machines). They said yes and my life has been made so much easier. One of our kids suffered with bladder problems and often wet the bed. Under the old system I couldn't wait until wash day so used to wash the bedding by hand in the bath. It killed my back. I can't believe we waited so long to ask. Honestly I am full of admiration of anyone that copes with working, kids, sport and a shared laundry system.
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Are there any laws governing the minimum standards that the washing rooms have to have? I live in a block of flats where I'm pretty sure that the space for tenants to do washing was sold some time back (way before I moved in) to the restaurant at the first floor. We got left with a tiny tiny room, barely big enough for two dryers and two washing machines stacked on top of each other and a tiny sink on the side. There is no washing line to dry up the clothes naturally.
It used to be barely manageable, but now there are a lot more tenants and it is back to being an absolute hell. I want to know if I have any legal standing....but I'm a dreamer and I know the landlords rule this country.
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Are there any laws governing the minimum standards that the washing rooms have to have? I live in a block of flats where I'm pretty sure that the space for tenants to do washing was sold some time back (way before I moved in) to the restaurant at the first floor. We got left with a tiny tiny room, barely big enough for two dryers and two washing machines stacked on top of each other and a tiny sink on the side. There is no washing line to dry up the clothes naturally.
It used to be barely manageable, but now there are a lot more tenants and it is back to being an absolute hell. I want to know if I have any legal standing....but I'm a dreamer and I know the landlords rule this country.
Probably a hard argument for you to win. The Landlord's argument will be that you saw the laundry room before you signed the lease. You might make the point if the number of occupants in the building had gone up significantly since you moved in.
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Re: Laundry room

Yes you are right but after all aren't slum landlords people who take advantage of the weak who don't know their rights or have no choice but to accept the conditions of the landlord?

Of course I'm not calling my landlord a slum landlord, I just don't think what they did allast those years was right/legal.

It happened that I couldn't find any other flat, I was turned down by a few due to the high demand, my demographic and my inability to speak German.

When I went to see the apartment, which I saw advertised in this forum, the previous tenants told me the washroom was no problem at all. They never had a problem with the laundry. They seemed very nice and genuine....that's because she was a stay at home partner and she had plenty of time to do washing at random times.

Well in any case, I was just wondering if there is a law governing the minimum standard of the facilities, because if there is a law and they are not respecting it, it is irrelevant if I accepted the washroom or not...
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Probably a hard argument for you to win. The Landlord's argument will be that you saw the laundry room before you signed the lease. You might make the point if the number of occupants in the building had gone up significantly since you moved in.


Based on the above post I have the impression that the laundry was not visited and that it is the same size as when the tenant moved in. In my experience most buildings have a drying room, mainly to discourage tenants from hanging wet clothes in their apartment which creates dampness, which can lead to problems with mold. Many clothes cannot go in the dryer.


It is not clear if there is a sign up sheet or wash schedule in existence. Perhaps this needs to be addressed.


Sadly there seems to be very few regulations in place covering the laundry facilities in rental buildings. Shared laundry can be one of the most frustrating aspects of renting in Switzerland. For many it works, no problems at all. For others it is a total nightmare.


Most of the my clients do not share laundry. I went out of my way to find properties for them with its own washer and dryer. The clients who did share did not have problems. I never viewed a property without visiting the laundry and asking about the terms of usage. Everyone has laundry.
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@Mrs. Doolittle: yes I had not visited the laundry room, relying on information given by the previous tenants. It is one of those things that you don't necessarily do unless you know what to look out for. A good example of this is the shower. In Switzerland, most showers I have had have been super powerful and properly made. Not so in the UK. The previous tenants told me all the English viewers all checked the shower and they wondered why... we only check the things that we should be suspicious of.

Yes we have a rota. It is a joke. Firstly the sheets are put out once every 3 months and people write their names down for the next three months in the evening slots (the slots that are actually useable by working people).
Secondly it is written in pencil. So people write their names down for more than 2/3 days a week and then decide not to do the washing and erase their name and any evidence to present to the landlors.
Then we have the mistery "no name" person, who goes down, sees the laundry room empty and does the washing withouth putting their names down. No problem right? Yes no problem until you are trying to present a case that it is too many of us for the number of machines!
Furthermore, we have 5 hours slots starting at 8. My suggestion of having a machine set called "A" and one called "B" to allow more than one person to do washing at the same time has been turned down by the caretaker (who lives on the top floor and gets paid by us for doing not much and getting cheaper rent, parking space etc etc).

I can't believe there are no minimum regulation in what can be provided. One could make the machines prohibitive in cost or the standard of the room to be terrible. Currently our floor is bare concrete, so if clothes fall in the journey between washing machine and dryer, they get dirty.

I currently have the worst washing room that I have ever seen out of all my friends.
It is funny but i like to visit people's washing rooms because i was told they are all like mine and I should not complain.
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@Mrs. Doolittle: yes I had not visited the laundry room, relying on information given by the previous tenants. It is one of those things that you don't necessarily do unless you know what to look out for. A good example of this is the shower. In Switzerland, most showers I have had have been super powerful and properly made. Not so in the UK. The previous tenants told me all the English viewers all checked the shower and they wondered why... we only check the things that we should be suspicious of.

Yes we have a rota. It is a joke. Firstly the sheets are put out once every 3 months and people write their names down for the next three months in the evening slots (the slots that are actually useable by working people).
Secondly it is written in pencil. So people write their names down for more than 2/3 days a week and then decide not to do the washing and erase their name and any evidence to present to the landlors.
Then we have the mistery "no name" person, who goes down, sees the laundry room empty and does the washing withouth putting their names down. No problem right? Yes no problem until you are trying to present a case that it is too many of us for the number of machines!
Furthermore, we have 5 hours slots starting at 8. My suggestion of having a machine set called "A" and one called "B" to allow more than one person to do washing at the same time has been turned down by the caretaker (who lives on the top floor and gets paid by us for doing not much and getting cheaper rent, parking space etc etc).

I can't believe there are no minimum regulation in what can be provided. One could make the machines prohibitive in cost or the standard of the room to be terrible. Currently our floor is bare concrete, so if clothes fall in the journey between washing machine and dryer, they get dirty.

I currently have the worst washing room that I have ever seen out of all my friends.
It is funny but i like to visit people's washing rooms because i was told they are all like mine and I should not complain.

The laundry room floor is often concrete. Place a basket under the washing machine when you open the door to remove the clothes so they do not fall on the floor. My laundry room is tiled and I still put a basket under the washer.


To me if you are viewing an apartment you look at the storage area, parking and laundry. It is not about being suspicious, just thorough.


I am certain it would be easy to hang a pen rather than pencil next to the sign up sheets.


You said there are two washers, and two dryers. How many units are in your building?


I think you should post a picture of your laundry room and let's see if anyone has one that is worse.
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Yeah put a pen there and it was quickly replaced.
Good tip on the basket, never thought of it.

Love the idea of the washroom picture! Will post one tomorrow.

The machines are new because the old drier was so 1970s that it caught fire.

I asked to have two more machines put in when that happened (one machine, one drier before)

They fitted the bottom of the range, but still Zug which is often Zanussi re branded, to tell you how effective Swiss branding is. In any case, cheapest driers, cheapest washing machines. The drier is the biggest problem. To save on extra plumbing, they replaced the old drier which drew air through a vent from the outside, with those horrible recirculating ones. It doesn't take a scientist to work out that, with such a tiny room, nothing gets dry! In fact it takes 2.5 hours to dry a load. So if you have three loads to do, you will have one load completely wet because it will not finish in one 5 hours slot.

So you book two slots as few times as possible and you get told off for being single and taking so much time !

To be honest, what really annoys me is the fact that I'm posting over 30k a year in rent, as are others, and the landlord is still so ing cheap despite being one of the biggest in Zurich...I don't know how they have no self respect.
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Yeah put a pen there and it was quickly replaced.
Good tip on the basket, never thought of it.

Love the idea of the washroom picture! Will post one tomorrow.

The machines are new because the old drier was so 1970s that it caught fire.

I asked to have two more machines put in when that happened (one machine, one drier before)

They fitted the bottom of the range, but still Zug which is often Zanussi re branded, to tell you how effective Swiss branding is. In any case, cheapest driers, cheapest washing machines. The drier is the biggest problem. To save on extra plumbing, they replaced the old drier which drew air through a vent from the outside, with those horrible recirculating ones. It doesn't take a scientist to work out that, with such a tiny room, nothing gets dry! In fact it takes 2.5 hours to dry a load. So if you have three loads to do, you will have one load completely wet because it will not finish in one 5 hours slot.

So you book two slots as few times as possible and you get told off for being single and taking so much time !

To be honest, what really annoys me is the fact that I'm posting over 30k a year in rent, as are others, and the landlord is still so ing cheap despite being one of the biggest in Zurich...I don't know how they have no self respect.
It is no longer permitted which have driers which vent outside. However it shouid not take 2.5 hours to dry a load of laundry.
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what really annoys me is the fact that I'm posting over 30k a year in rent, as are others, and the landlord is still so ing cheap despite being one of the biggest in Zurich...I don't know how they have no self respect.

Wow over 2,5K per month and still sharing a Laundry rooom.
I cannot beleive this is happening in Switzerland.
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What's all the fuss with drying stuff? Just buy a hanger & put it in your flat.
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What's all the fuss with drying stuff? Just buy a hanger & put it in your flat.

Hanging wet laundry is one of the things which leads to mould problems in apartments.


Who wants towels which feel like cardboard?


A clothes dryer is no longer considered a luxury. Many years ago we rented a house which did not have a dryer. The washing machine was located in the same room as the heating system, which was oil. The room was warm in winter when the heating was running and the clothes dried, but slowly. We bought our own dryer.


But today we have other heating systems, such as heat pumps, which do not heat the room and will not help dry the clothes. Items like wall dryers will do the trick and they also keep the humidity down. There are also hot water boilers which have this function.
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To me if you are viewing an apartment you look at the storage area, parking and laundry.
Absolutely. And inquire about the laundry rules. Some rules I have encountered while apartment hunting were downright dealbreakers!

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Wow over 2,5K per month and still sharing a Laundry rooom.
I cannot beleive this is happening in Switzerland.
There are plenty of these, especially in high rent areas. Having your own washer/dryer is still the exception rather than the rule, unfortunately.
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Hanging wet laundry is one of the things which leads to mould problems in apartments.
Not only that, but some leases forbid you from drying items in your flat. Ours does. We have a tumble dryer and a drying room downstairs with the Secomat de-humidifier thing.
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Not only that, but some leases forbid you from drying items in your flat. Ours does. We have a tumble dryer and a drying room downstairs with the Secomat de-humidifier thing.

Congrats on finding the Swissest rule ever. If the heating works, it's probably too dry anyway indoors. And there's always that magic thing called open a window. Do they make sure you've got the skid marks out too?
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Congrats on finding the Swissest rule ever. If the heating works, it's probably too dry anyway indoors. And there's always that magic thing called open a window. Do they make sure you've got the skid marks out too?
Oh, it gets better. As it's a newer build it's often too humid rather than too dry. The lease also says we have to open the windows daily for at least 5 mins.

No, they don't check regularly, but they do have a peek a few times a year, ostensibly to check the heating and stuff.
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