Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Living in Switzerland > Complaints corner
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #201  
Old 19.03.2012, 10:44
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Vaud
Posts: 3,614
Groaned at 456 Times in 291 Posts
Thanked 2,936 Times in 1,469 Posts
CorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Import tax on internet purchases

Quote:
View Post
Normally the importer, i.e. the guy selling you the stuff, has paid any import duties and VAT, so the price should be a net price. It's actually illegal for a Swiss company to list prices that aren't net prices (and will become even more so as from 1 April).
Thanks,
Actually it seems that I had incorrect facts.
It's a german company. Having a swiss website (.ch).
Displaying prices in Swiss Francs.
Having a Swiss bank account to receive the payment.

But they are German, so I guess they have made this setup to "bypass" some importing laws-

I read the conditions they only say "they put the prices Vat included" for comparison only but they don't charge the vat of the destination country...

So basically they haven't charged the german vat, or the Swiss vat.
It's the UPS delivery service which did that...

After all it seems normal import, but shame I though it was a Swiss website with Swiss Francs and did not expect those extra VAT.

I contacted the "customs" they said it's happening sometimes that websites don't clearly say the origin, but if it's imported one has to pay. End of.
If I have any issue with that, it's between me and the website.
Reply With Quote
  #202  
Old 19.03.2012, 10:49
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Vaud
Posts: 3,614
Groaned at 456 Times in 291 Posts
Thanked 2,936 Times in 1,469 Posts
CorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Import tax on internet purchases

Quote:
View Post
So essentially if I'm ordering some tech from US or UK, I don't pay VAT there and when it reaches Switzerland I pay 8%? Any further charges for the fact it is being imported? I'm reading all this and getting confused.

Also is it just the destination that is important for the shopping site or do I also have to use a Swiss bank card?
1) Your item in UK website has the VAT included in the displayed price. That's the law

2) They need to accept removing the UK vat from your item, not all sellers do that.

3) If they do and they also accept delivery to Switzerland, then they'll ship your item for the price minus the UK vat.

4) The customs verify the item, and charge you independently-

5) You receive your item

6) Later, you also receive the "Import " process bill.= price you paid + 8% (its tax for most items in Switzerland) + Processing fees...


Ie Your item worth 100GBP VAT excluded. It would have been 120GBP with UK vat.
You pay 100GBP because the seller accepted.
You received your item.
You receive the bill of 8GBP (In Swiss Franc) + Processing fees, something like 30CHF
You have to pay those 40CHF something CHF...

Simple!

There's variations depending on the item (book vat is 2%).

The main point is to make sure the seller accepts to remove the VAT on purchase, or it's administrative pain and you'll probably never see your vat difference.
Reply With Quote
  #203  
Old 06.05.2012, 11:55
Ope Ope is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Zurich
Posts: 72
Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanked 9 Times in 6 Posts
Ope has no particular reputation at present
Re: Import tax on internet purchases

Anyone know any UK sites that will remove the VAT?
Reply With Quote
  #204  
Old 06.05.2012, 12:20
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: north
Posts: 6,134
Groaned at 226 Times in 146 Posts
Thanked 5,094 Times in 2,632 Posts
rob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Import tax on internet purchases

uk sites for ........ ? fish, crayons, nuclear warheads ?

They should all remove the VAT as its going to a non EU country so UK VAT is not applicable.

however there are some that dont remove it because they cant be bothered.
Reply With Quote
  #205  
Old 06.05.2012, 12:29
Ope Ope is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Zurich
Posts: 72
Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanked 9 Times in 6 Posts
Ope has no particular reputation at present
Re: Import tax on internet purchases

I mean does anyone have examples of UK online sites that automatically remove VAT
Reply With Quote
  #206  
Old 06.05.2012, 12:29
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Geneva
Posts: 11
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
pindie has no particular reputation at present
Re: Import tax on internet purchases

It's my understanding that the tax you pay is based on the value of the purchase. We bought a PATAGONIA coat and the cost was 300$ from the US and they levied about $50 tax on it.
You can generally find most everything in France a bit cheaper -- or UK. I wouldn't order things, but wait and have someone traveling carry it back.
Reply With Quote
  #207  
Old 06.05.2012, 12:42
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: north
Posts: 6,134
Groaned at 226 Times in 146 Posts
Thanked 5,094 Times in 2,632 Posts
rob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Import tax on internet purchases

Quote:
View Post
I mean does anyone have examples of UK online sites that automatically remove VAT

why dont you try amazon.co.uk ?
Reply With Quote
  #208  
Old 11.05.2012, 13:13
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Nyon
Posts: 14
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
KPA87 has no particular reputation at present
Re: Import tax on internet purchases

Hello
I'm shipping stuff over in a couple of weeks.
I was planning on buying a washing machine, tumble dryer and large freestanding freezer today for a combined fee of £870. How much will I have to pay to import this?
Thanks a lot,
Kevin
Reply With Quote
  #209  
Old 13.05.2012, 16:08
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Lausanne
Posts: 39
Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanked 34 Times in 23 Posts
hans1 has become a little unpopular
Re: Import tax on internet purchases

Tried a search but can't find the answer on the following question:

what if I order a pair of boots from the UK, (ex. VAT) then pay all the required charges here in Switerland, but then decide to return the item to England?

Would the seller have to pay any additional customs charges in that case? Or should I be able to just return it paying only the postage back to the UK?
Reply With Quote
  #210  
Old 26.05.2012, 10:56
Amaras's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Armenia
Posts: 130
Groaned at 6 Times in 6 Posts
Thanked 18 Times in 16 Posts
Amaras has earned some respectAmaras has earned some respect
Re: Import tax on internet purchases

The variable element of the customs clearance fee totalling "3% of the value of the goods" will be charged on the basis of the value of the goods declared on the commercial invoice or other customs forms.
http://www.swisspost.ch/post-startse....htm#txt108759
So it is 11% incl VAT plus customs clearance fee (12 - 16.5 fr.)
Reply With Quote
  #211  
Old 27.05.2012, 01:41
marton's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Zürich
Posts: 7,516
Groaned at 164 Times in 139 Posts
Thanked 8,527 Times in 4,670 Posts
marton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Import tax on internet purchases

Quote:
View Post
The variable element of the customs clearance fee totalling "3% of the value of the goods" will be charged on the basis of the value of the goods declared on the commercial invoice or other customs forms.
http://www.swisspost.ch/post-startse....htm#txt108759
So it is 11% incl VAT plus customs clearance fee (12 - 16.5 fr.)
So the PO changed the pricing structure.
I was expecting a significant cost reduction but now it looks like I will see only a small reduction at best or a small increase depending on the country of origin and the value of the goods.
Disappointed.
Reply With Quote
  #212  
Old 27.05.2012, 02:09
HAT's Avatar
HAT HAT is offline
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Zurich near Zug
Posts: 1,248
Groaned at 90 Times in 56 Posts
Thanked 701 Times in 372 Posts
HAT is considered knowledgeableHAT is considered knowledgeableHAT is considered knowledgeable
Re: Import tax on internet purchases

I have to admit I did not read all 212 posts.

What I know is: you pay 8% on the bill.
I got -19% from the German site when I bought something, but I have to pay 8% on the total amount (including shipping costs) when the DHL person came to my front door.
You can also opt to pay the Swiss side tax by ebanking if the delivery (eg. DHL) offers this.
Reply With Quote
  #213  
Old 31.05.2012, 10:33
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Vaud
Posts: 3,614
Groaned at 456 Times in 291 Posts
Thanked 2,936 Times in 1,469 Posts
CorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Import tax on internet purchases

Quote:
View Post
I haven't yet given up on getting a PO box across the border. So far the situation in France is that they don't offer these to domestic customers, only businesses. In Germany you need to have a valid DE address to set one up, and then undertake to collect your mail/packages once a week.

So I'm now looking at commerical solutions e.g. Mailbox Etc.. they have a franchise in Lorrach so I've asked for further details.
Hi, actually there is such service in all posts in France.
It's called "Poste restante":
Although I am very surprised that it's now a paying service (it used to be free):
0.60 euros...

http://www.laposte.fr/pdf-interactif...&idprod=000453
Reply With Quote
  #214  
Old 31.05.2012, 10:58
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Vaud
Posts: 3,614
Groaned at 456 Times in 291 Posts
Thanked 2,936 Times in 1,469 Posts
CorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Swiss import/customs tax?

Quote:
View Post
Don't know of that 65 CHF rule but here's what I know

Upon import there's 2 things you have to pay.

VAT: 2.4 or 7.6 % depending on the product
Duty: Depending on the product. For a lot of products there's 2 duty fees. One if the country of origin is within the EU and you need a EUR1 certificate to prove that. Another one if it's not from the EU.
Usually the EU duty is a lot lower and a lot of products are duty free from within the EU.

The swiss duty tariffs can be researched online http://xtares.admin.ch/

What is it you would like to import?
This Swiss website for tares is fecked up!
So complicated, so poor design!
Reply With Quote
  #215  
Old 31.05.2012, 11:01
herc82's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Zurich
Posts: 1,625
Groaned at 10 Times in 9 Posts
Thanked 973 Times in 604 Posts
herc82 has a reputation beyond reputeherc82 has a reputation beyond reputeherc82 has a reputation beyond reputeherc82 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Swiss import/customs tax?

Quote:
View Post
This Swiss website for tares is fecked up!
So complicated, so poor design!
You've never seen a customs tariff then?

What are you looking for?
Reply With Quote
  #216  
Old 31.05.2012, 11:13
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Vaud
Posts: 3,614
Groaned at 456 Times in 291 Posts
Thanked 2,936 Times in 1,469 Posts
CorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Swiss import/customs tax?

Quote:
View Post
You've never seen a customs tariff then?

What are you looking for?
I am just trying to find out a basic information-
The minimum franchise for importing items through the post.
I want to order a silicon gel case for my new phone and a screen protecting sticker. It's like 6 dollars max in total. In swiss website it costs a fortune.

For example, it's often mentionned on this forum that for items less than 65chf they won't charge you "import admin fee" and no "vat". I don't mind paying the vat (8% whatever) on a 2dollars item, but the admin fee is a flat "30chf something" fee.

But I want to be sure of the "official law", I don't like surprises with the Swiss customs

Edit:
I think that's this chapter:
Source in English:
http://www.ezv.admin.ch/zollinfo_fir...x.html?lang=en
Art. 8 Marchandises en franchise

1 Sont admises en franchise:

a.
les marchandises exonérées en vertu de la LTaD1 ou de traités internationaux;
b.
les marchandises en petites quantités, d’une valeur insignifiante ou grevées d’un droit de douane minime, conformément aux dispositions édictées par le département.


Items in little quantities or insignificant value... What is the value? What is insignificant for the Swiss? Less than 10 000chf ????

2 Le Conseil fédéral peut admettre en franchise:

a.
les marchandises à exonérer en vertu d’usages internationaux;
b.
les moyens de paiement légaux, les papiers-valeurs, les manuscrits et les documents sans valeur de collection, les timbres-poste ayant valeur d’affranchissement sur le territoire suisse et d’autres timbres officiels jusqu’à concurrence de leur valeur faciale ainsi que les titres de transport d’entreprises de transports publics étrangères;
c.
les effets de déménagement, les trousseaux de mariage et les effets de succession;
d.
les marchandises destinées à des institutions de bienfaisance, à des oeuvres d’entraide ou à des indigents;
e.
les véhicules à moteur pour les invalides;
f.
les objets pour l’enseignement et la recherche;
g.
les objets d’art et d’exposition pour les musées;
h.
les instruments et appareils destinés à l’examen et au traitement de patients d’hôpitaux et d’établissements similaires;
i.
les études et oeuvres d’artistes suisses séjournant temporairement à l’étranger pour leurs études;
j.
les marchandises du trafic de la zone frontière et les animaux extraits des eaux frontières;
k.
les échantillons et les spécimens de marchandises;
l.
le matériel d’emballage indigène;
m.2
le matériel de guerre de la Confédération et le matériel de protection civile de la Confédération et des cantons.
Reply With Quote
  #217  
Old 31.05.2012, 11:20
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Vaud
Posts: 3,614
Groaned at 456 Times in 291 Posts
Thanked 2,936 Times in 1,469 Posts
CorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Swiss import/customs tax?

Quote:
View Post
You've never seen a customs tariff then?

What are you looking for?
I just found that:

http://www.ezv.admin.ch/zollinfo_pri...x.html?lang=en


Exemption limit

There is no specific allowance as for travellers, but a tax-exemption limit, whereby customs duty and VAT are not levied if they amount to CHF 5.- or less per customs declaration.


So I guess they will charge admin fee as they charge 30chf!!

Reply With Quote
  #218  
Old 31.05.2012, 11:45
herc82's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Zurich
Posts: 1,625
Groaned at 10 Times in 9 Posts
Thanked 973 Times in 604 Posts
herc82 has a reputation beyond reputeherc82 has a reputation beyond reputeherc82 has a reputation beyond reputeherc82 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Swiss import/customs tax?

Quote:
View Post
I am just trying to find out a basic information-
The minimum franchise for importing items through the post.
I want to order a silicon gel case for my new phone and a screen protecting sticker. It's like 6 dollars max in total. In swiss website it costs a fortune.

For example, it's often mentionned on this forum that for items less than 65chf they won't charge you "import admin fee" and no "vat". I don't mind paying the vat (8% whatever) on a 2dollars item, but the admin fee is a flat "30chf something" fee.

But I want to be sure of the "official law", I don't like surprises with the Swiss customs
No surprises with customs? Sorry, I just have to laugh a little

I doubt that any agreement between the State and Postal services would be recorded in the customs tariff, rather sure this points to a different "contract".

But concerning your issue - the customs tariff won't be of much use as the duty is charged per 100kg units.
I have taken an example (not sure if the code is correct) for your gel case - Tarifnummer: 3923.2100 is charged at CHF 49.-/100kg gross weight. Your case weighs probably less than 100 grams, right?

I noticed now some changes on the postal website regarding the import of goods, but not so sure what to make of it yet...

My advise is still to keep your purchase & postal fee at less than CHF 60.-, keep everything nicely declared and hope for the best ;-)


Ah, just found something. Postal clearance is now split between Zone A (Germany, France, Italy + Austria) and Zone B (everywhere else).
A: Clearance CHF 12.- + 3% of the value
B: Clearance CHF 16.50 + 3% of the value
maximum clearance cost of CHF 70.-

But, they also have extras, sneaky buggers....
See here and here

Plus, they do not charge duties or VAT if the cost is less than CHF 5.- - you should be safe with the exception of the clearance and possible extras..

PS - just saw your findings as well... pretty much spot on, but I guess the handling/clearance fees are slightly lower now..
__________________
Nullus Anxietas - Oook
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank herc82 for this useful post:
  #219  
Old 31.05.2012, 11:53
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Vaud
Posts: 3,614
Groaned at 456 Times in 291 Posts
Thanked 2,936 Times in 1,469 Posts
CorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Import tax on internet purchases

Thanks!
So it confirm they will charge some 12-15chf something just for "clearance"...

Also, I noticed they will have some new prices from 1st July 2012, but it's apparently only about some "Tares".

Well that Silicon thing might stay at the shop, after all.
Not going to feed the post for such a small priced item.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank CorsebouTheReturn for this useful post:
  #220  
Old 31.05.2012, 11:58
Amaras's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Armenia
Posts: 130
Groaned at 6 Times in 6 Posts
Thanked 18 Times in 16 Posts
Amaras has earned some respectAmaras has earned some respect
Re: Swiss import/customs tax?

Quote:
View Post
I just found that:

So I guess they will charge admin fee as they charge 30chf!!

No customs clearance on gifts from one individual to another.
Reply With Quote
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Internet question [internet without phone or TV] gurutalon TV/internet/telephone 23 07.12.2010 15:55
Question about social security deductions and Tax deductions sparks1061 Finance/banking/taxation 2 27.11.2007 15:33
Tax - Surprise!!! jonnyboy Finance/banking/taxation 29 18.05.2007 16:47
Tax question Beano Finance/banking/taxation 1 28.04.2007 08:06
Can anyone help with a UK tax question? TonyBhoy Finance/banking/taxation 11 05.04.2007 22:51


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 23:48.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0