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Re: Import tax on internet purchases

As this is the most updated/viewed thread maybe people will see this:

Be aware even if an item is a gift between a private petson to another private person and under 100chf, it must be delivered to a private address.

if delivered to a work address then normal customs fees and clearance applies.
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Warning, taxes on mail order goods

I ordered something that was 59.77 CHF, but taxation includes the postage charges (b**** cheek!), so this brought my total up to 68.77 At (8% tax. The tax was 6.95, but the charges for their trouble brought my payment up to 25.50 CHF.

Thats a whopping 42% tax!
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Old 22.01.2014, 16:06
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Re: Warning, taxes on mail order goods

no it's not. You paid something like 18 francs "admin".

There's a huge thread about it.

Edit: here: http://www.englishforum.ch/finance-b...purchases.html
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Old 22.01.2014, 16:10
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Re: Warning, taxes on mail order goods

The POST opened a package from my daughter today, and determined her declared value to be wrong. She had mis-understood me and made the total to be the amount per item...


Just waiting to see if I shall also be fined... For this error...
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Re: Import tax on internet purchases

Hi,

I know that this Thread may be a bit old, but I didn't know where do post my question.

I would like to order some cloths form China, they are worth around 200 Euros. They will be shipped by EMS (which I think is less problematic than DHL).

I would like to avoid paying taxes, so I have 2 options:

1) Ask the seller to split the order into 2 Boxes and declare as a Gift of lower value than 100.- including shipping. And also add his name as a private sender.
(for this option I would have to pay 30 Euros more for the shipping)

2) Ship it to Germany to an address providing company on the Boarding, then pay the Germany taxes and try to get them refunded as I import them to Switzerland. I couldn't find much information about this method, I think that's interesting if it would be easy. Did any one try do this over Germany? I know that if you order from the EU, it's a good workaround for not paying Taxes. But what's about from the US or China?
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2) Ship it to Germany to an address providing company on the Boarding, then pay the Germany taxes and try to get them refunded as I import them to Switzerland. I couldn't find much information about this method, I think that's interesting if it would be easy. Did any one try do this over Germany? I know that if you order from the EU, it's a good workaround for not paying Taxes. But what's about from the US or China?
Within Germany, it depends a lot on where you send it to. If the package gets held up at customs, the recipient has to present himself at the customs-mail-office, so you´d have to know where that is. It can actually be quite far from the place where you intended to receive it. In Konstanz I know it´s inside the city (just next to Lago shopping center, but on the other side of the tracks), so make sure you know where "your" office is.

You would then have to pay 19% import-taxes. These are, unlike German VAT, not refundable even if you export the goods to Switzerland 5 minutes later.

Upside: The Germans charge exactly the 19%, no additional handling fee whatsoever.

If there´s no single item above 60 Francs, why not order everything in chunks of less-than-60? In this case they should usually arrive to your doorstep in Switzerland without additional fees, unless Swiss customs subject your package to a random spot-search.
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Re: Import tax on internet purchases

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Hi,

I know that this Thread may be a bit old, but I didn't know where do post my question.

I would like to order some cloths form China, they are worth around 200 Euros. They will be shipped by EMS (which I think is less problematic than DHL).

I would like to avoid paying taxes, so I have 2 options:

1) Ask the seller to split the order into 2 Boxes and declare as a Gift of lower value than 100.- including shipping. And also add his name as a private sender.
(for this option I would have to pay 30 Euros more for the shipping)

2) Ship it to Germany to an address providing company on the Boarding, then pay the Germany taxes and try to get them refunded as I import them to Switzerland. I couldn't find much information about this method, I think that's interesting if it would be easy. Did any one try do this over Germany? I know that if you order from the EU, it's a good workaround for not paying Taxes. But what's about from the US or China?

All this bollocksing around to save Euro 30.-- which you'll need to spend on the second EMS box...

It's just not worth, the hastle, the time the effort the extra expense....
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Old 10.02.2015, 15:59
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All this bollocksing around to save Euro 30.-- which you'll need to spend on the second EMS box...

It's just not worth, the hastle, the time the effort the extra expense....
The bit I don't get is that they are ordering from China - and therefore will be hit with import duties whether it arrives in the EU or Switzerland.
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I would like to order some cloths form China, they are worth around 200 Euros.
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I would like to avoid paying taxes, so I have 2 options:
You are trying to avoid paying CHF 20 (plus handling for customs).

Option 1 is fraud.

Option 2 does not work because there is nobody around to refund the tax.

Try taking option 3: Be honest, have it shipped to your door, correctly declared.
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The bit I don't get is that they are ordering from China - and therefore will be hit with import duties whether it arrives in the EU or Switzerland.
Does this still hold given the free trade treaty between China and Switzerland, in effect since 2014-07-01?

Edit: No. According to "Factsheet: Freihandelsabkommen zwischen der Schweiz und China" (http://www.seco.admin.ch/themen/0051..._JjKbNoKSn6A--) import duty is no longer applied to Chinese textile goods.

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Mit Inkrafttreten des FHA werden die verbleibenden Schweizer Zölle auf chinesischen Industriewaren
beseitigt. Dies bedeutet, dass nebst den Industrieprodukten, die aufgrund des autonomen
Allgemeinen Präferenzensystems für Entwicklungsländer auch aus China bereits bisher
zollfrei in die Schweiz eingeführt werden können, unter dem FHA auch chinesische Textilien
und Schuhe zollfreien Zugang zum Schweizer Markt haben werden
Presumably, import duty would still apply within the EU / Germany.

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Re: Import tax on internet purchases

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Does this still hold given the free trade treaty between China and Switzerland, in effect since 2014-07-01?lang=de&download=NHzLpZeg7t,lnp6I0NTU042l2Z6ln1 acy4Zn4Z2qZpnO2Yuq2Z6gpJCGdYB3f2ym162epYbg2c_JjKbN oKSn6A--[/url]) import duty is no longer applied to Chinese textile goods.

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Mit Inkrafttreten des FHA werden die verbleibenden Schweizer Zölle auf chinesischen Industriewaren
beseitigt. Dies bedeutet, dass nebst den Industrieprodukten, die aufgrund des autonomen
Allgemeinen Präferenzensystems für Entwicklungsländer auch aus China bereits bisher
zollfrei in die Schweiz eingeführt werden können, unter dem FHA auch chinesische Textilien
und Schuhe zollfreien Zugang zum Schweizer Markt haben werden
Presumably, import duty would still apply within the EU / Germany.
Are you serious? I have chosen to do the 3 Option, since I don't want to risk paying 3 times the takes for 3 packages or so. So there is no limit to importing textile products, such as jeans and other cloth to Switzerland? and everything is tax free? are there other evidence that confirm that?

Thanks daffy99 for shearing this information.


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Re: Import tax on internet purchases

Does anyone have more knowlge or know which products are covered already in the "Freihandelsabkommen zwischen der Schweiz und China"

is it tax free for private import or only for business?
anyone any comments?
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Re: Import tax on internet purchases

Import duties, no.

VAT, yes.

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Re: Import tax on internet purchases

Bought a wallet from Italy online. The wallet itself was 55 euro, and shipping was 15 euro through UPS. Now I need to pay 27 CHF extra.

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Re: Import tax on internet purchases

Hi guys if u can help me calculate exact cost which I will need to pay I would be really grateful.
I would like to order a coat from China from Aliexpress website and the total price would be 400 USD sent by DHL.
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http://www.aliexpress.com/item/2015-...308780403.html

I read here that DHL is charging a fee so should I ask maybe to send it with some other shipping method?
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Re: Import tax on internet purchases

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I read here that DHL is charging a fee so should I ask maybe to send it with some other shipping method?
DHL charges about €35 to pay your Swiss taxes for you. Maybe EMS will be cheaper?
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DHL charges about €35 to pay your Swiss taxes for you. Maybe EMS will be cheaper?
What if I do not pay the 35 Euro for the DHL admin fees? I would subtract the admin fees from the bill and pay with online Banking the amount I want to pay.

I did not ask DHL to pay the costoms on my behalf, nor did I do any sort of agreement. I could well pay the customs myself, if they have contacted me and sent me the bill.

Surely it would take a bit longer...
But I am paying more for an express service, so paying the customs out quick on my behalf, should be without extra charge.

Can they do something legally against me?
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Re: Import tax on internet purchases

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Can they do something legally against me?
No, but you won't get your package unless you pay them. Otherwise they'll happily return it to the sender and you can make new shipping arrangements.
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No, but you won't get your package unless you pay them. Otherwise they'll happily return it to the sender and you can make new shipping arrangements.
They give the package before the bill, they will send you the bill 2 day after the package is handed out.
At least that is what happened to me. If someone has an other experience, please share it.

It was February 2015 when I last time ordered with DHL.
I just paid the bill fully, I did not think it through and now I regret it. But it was only 26 CHF.

I only paid 7 weeks later, after they have sent me reminders and bills over 100CHF. Of course I was not stupid and paid those bills, it was a rip off. They were threatening me with legal actions... I ended up only paying the first bill of 26 CHF and then they never contacted me since.


BTW: The Bill was unexpected (from my side) I have ordered something very low in value, it was 35 Euro, and free shipping with china post, the seller did delay it for 10 days, then shipped it with DHL (free of charge for me). But he did not write the shipping fee, and there is no free DHL shipping, so they have calculated the shipping costs to be 40 Euro. Hence total price was 75 Euro (which is over 62.-) I did not have a receipt to show any DHL shipping fees paid by the seller.
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Re: Import tax on internet purchases

I rememberer having phoned them and asking why didn't you include the bill with the package. They said, the packages only stay a few hours with the customs and then get realised. The calculations and the bills are done 1 to 2 days later.

They said, that they are an express shipping company and they make it priority for the receiver to get the package as fast as possible. Handing them the package before the bill was released was looked at being appropriate and surly faster than the other way round.
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