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Old 02.10.2015, 09:44
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Yes, they will issue a betreibung against you.

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Re: Import tax on internet purchases

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Yes, they will issue a betreibung against you.

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On what bases?
What did I do, which legally forces me to pay the admin fees?

I have noticed that the admin fees do vary, the higher the duty fees, the higher the admin fees (maybe it has a max) at least this is so with DHL, Fedex just charges straight 26.- if they pay the customs on your behalf and you pay them back.

It is like involuntarily owing them money with interest.
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Old 02.10.2015, 09:57
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Re: Import tax on internet purchases

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What did I do, which legally forces me to pay the admin fees?
Did you sign for the parcel? And read the small print?

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Re: Import tax on internet purchases

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Did you sign for the parcel? And read the small print?
What if someone else sings the parcel? maybe some with a disorder...
They would bill me, for something I didn't sign.

I mean they do not ask for an id before signing.

They can not bill the person who actually singed, because they do not even know his details (maybe he is just a visitor...)And the parcel doesn't even belong to him (by Name).
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What if someone else sings the parcel? maybe some with a disorder...
They would bill me, for something I didn't sign.

I mean they do not ask for an id before signing.

They can not bill the person who actually singed, because they do not even know his details (maybe he is just a visitor...)And the parcel doesn't even belong to him (by Name).
I doubt whether you have much luck trying to get your carer to pay the charges
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Old 02.11.2015, 13:53
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Re: Import tax on internet purchases

I've ended up in the same boat - having to pay ~CHF 27.70 or something as tax for some purchases valued at £59.
Apart from figuring out that Switzerland and non-Swiss website purchases are incompatible, I am thinking of returning back some £43 worth of items (these aren't faithful to the photos on Asos!). Is it possible to claim back the tax in this instance? Or am I better off being happy with my modest contribution to SwissPost or whoever the powers may be?
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Re: Import tax on internet purchases

If you study your receipt you'll see that the tax is 8% of the value, while the rest is a processing fee "allowing" you to pay the tax (aren't they nice?).

Now the processing happened in any case, so that can't be claimed back.

About the tax I wouldn't be sure if it's totally impossible, but I guess fighting for the odd 4-6 Francs won't be worth it. Although on second thought I guess that's also non-refundable because, after all, the items were imported.

If you order different items, why not split them up in future orders? So you get several packages which are, individually, within the free allowance?
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Re: Import tax on internet purchases

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If you study your receipt you'll see that the tax is 8% of the value, while the rest is a processing fee "allowing" you to pay the tax (aren't they nice?).

Now the processing happened in any case, so that can't be claimed back.

About the tax I wouldn't be sure if it's totally impossible, but I guess fighting for the odd 4-6 Francs won't be worth it. Although on second thought I guess that's also non-refundable because, after all, the items were imported.

If you order different items, why not split them up in future orders? So you get several packages which are, individually, within the free allowance?
Thanks! Learnt my lesson. I'm also finding that Asos doesn't have free returns- so all in all, it's lose-lose.
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Re: Import tax on internet purchases

To avoid paying taxes and other fees, just ask the seller to help you out by declaring it a low value, something like 25USD for the item and 30USD for shipping cost. They need to properly declare the shipping costs as well, otherwise it will not go through the customs unless you provide proof of the shipping costs.

Note: Free shipping doesn't count as zero , they will calculate the shipping based on the shipping cost from Switzerland to the country the package came from.

there is no real shipping, it is just an advertisement technique.

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if you order with DHL, they will hand you the package over, then send you a bill a few day or 1 week later. I would just pay the 8% tax only, and not pay the admin fees. I would tell them that I can pay the tay myself, and there is no need for admin fees. I didn't ask for you to pay for me.
Even if they have a signature of you confirming the receivement of the package, you can claim that it was not your signature, since they do not ask for ID before asking to sign something, they can not proof who actually signed the package.
Furthermore, they do not ask you to read something or agree upon some conditions before signing. They do not even give you a piece of paper with some terms and conditions.
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In the end I am pretty sure that they can not do much about it if you do not pay their admin fees.

They may but you on a blacklist, so next time they make sure that you pay first and then get your package.

I have ordered something about 10KG from China with DHL, and I had to pay no fees, because it was declared properly with the values I wanted.
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Re: Import tax on internet purchases

Because it is just a personal use of imported goods, I do not see the purpose of paying tax for it. I mean if i had a business going, then yeah I should pay taxes.

Furthermore, if you import something in your suitcase with an airplane, car or train. The taxes are different then if you import something through the post. How is that fair?
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Re: Import tax on internet purchases

Be careful as tax fraud is a criminal offence in CH, this is way more serious than tax evasion which is not a crime, just an administrative matter.

If investigated it will cost you a lot of money.

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To avoid paying taxes and other fees, just ask the seller to help you out by declaring it a low value, something like 25USD for the item and 30USD for shipping cost. They need to properly declare the shipping costs as well, otherwise it will not go through the customs unless you provide proof of the shipping costs.

Note: Free shipping doesn't count as zero , they will calculate the shipping based on the shipping cost from Switzerland to the country the package came from.

there is no real shipping, it is just an advertisement technique.

Another thing you can do is:

if you order with DHL, they will hand you the package over, then send you a bill a few day or 1 week later. I would just pay the 8% tax only, and not pay the admin fees. I would tell them that I can pay the tay myself, and there is no need for admin fees. I didn't ask for you to pay for me.
Even if they have a signature of you confirming the receivement of the package, you can claim that it was not your signature, since they do not ask for ID before asking to sign something, they can not proof who actually signed the package.
Furthermore, they do not ask you to read something or agree upon some conditions before signing. They do not even give you a piece of paper with some terms and conditions.
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In the end I am pretty sure that they can not do much about it if you do not pay their admin fees.

They may but you on a blacklist, so next time they make sure that you pay first and then get your package.

I have ordered something about 10KG from China with DHL, and I had to pay no fees, because it was declared properly with the values I wanted.
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Re: Import tax on internet purchases

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Because it is just a personal use of imported goods, I do not see the purpose of paying tax for it. I mean if i had a business going, then yeah I should pay taxes.
Furthermore, if you import something in your suitcase with an airplane, car or train. The taxes are different then if you import something through the post. How is that fair?
It's not fair. The limits are very low, plainly ridiculous and simply encourage people to look for ways to get around the rules!
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Be careful as tax fraud is a criminal offence in CH, this is way more serious than tax evasion which is not a crime, just an administrative matter.

If investigated it will cost you a lot of money.
But is it the person who is importing the goods who is committing an actual crime? After all it is the seller who completes the customs label. The recipient has little or no control over what let's say a Chinese seller writes on a customs label and/or includes in the parcel.
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It's not fair. The limits are very low, plainly ridiculous and simply encourage people to look for ways to get around the rules!But is it the person who is importing the goods who is committing an actual crime? After all it is the seller who completes the customs label. The recipient has little or no control over what let's say a Chinese seller writes on a customs label and/or includes in the parcel.
People always look at ways to reduce tax, some ore legal others are not.

If you have asked the seller to falsify paperwork, an offence has probably been committed. It's not unknown for Swiss customs to ask for the Ebay listing no.
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People always look at ways to reduce tax, some ore legal others are not.

If you have asked the seller to falsify paperwork, an offence has probably been committed. It's not unknown for Swiss customs to ask for the Ebay listing no.
It still has to be proven. If it is another website, not Ebay etc.? If there is no invoice in the package?
I have had many packages from China all marked with same low value (like $8 or $10) and the 'Gift' box ticked. I neither asked the seller to declare a low value nor tick the 'Gift' box! Most sellers want as little hassle as possible and some evidently do this as a standard procedure for parcels to Europe/Switzerland, because of the ridiculously low import limits and the risk of parcel refusal by buyer to avoid the absurd fees.
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