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Old 04.10.2011, 12:02
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Plus 18chf fixed fee
Can this be avoided if the sender pre-pays the customs charges?
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Old 04.10.2011, 13:02
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Can this be avoided if the sender pre-pays the customs charges?
Yes, but the sender may end up paying a similar handling fee to the carrier.
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http://www.swisspost.ch/post-startse...ernational.htm

Above what value will I have to pay customs and/or value added tax (VAT) on import items?

In principle, every item sent from abroad is subject to customs duties and VAT.
There is no special exemption limit like that allowed for passengers carrying goods with them, only a duty-exemption limit.
Accordingly, customs duties and VAT are not charged if the amount calculated is less than CHF 5 for each customs declaration.
Furthermore, gifts mailed from individuals living abroad to individuals in Switzerland are duty-exempt up to a value of CHF 100. Goods purchased on the Internet do not satisfy these conditions and are subject to duty in accordance with the general provisions.
The maximum values for VAT-exempt imports are:
  • 8% VAT (the majority of items sent) => CHF 62
  • 2,5% VAT (e.g. books) => CHF 200
Ok, I have been hit by the post office even though the original value of the goods is Fr.56 and delivery was abnout Fr.5. I called them and a very rude lady told me that I got taxed because the value of my goods is:

Fr.56 + Fr.5 (delivery) + Fr.18 (service charge) + Fr.6 VAT

I was very surprised about the last 2 items because that is their charge and should have nothing to do with the value of the goods. So she told me to go read the rules. Sure enough, a couple of paragraphs below the above bits about the Fr.62, it is stated that:

"As a general rule, all services relating to an import item are subject to VAT, whether the services relate to carriage of the items or customs clearance. According to customs regulations, all services rendered before and during the actual customs clearance process are included in the VAT value and taxed accordingly (such as clarifications of value, actual customs clearance, etc.). VAT will be charged at 8% on Swiss Post International's invoice for any unforeseeable services provided during customs clearance. "


Therefore, the Fr.62 limit is actually Fr.62 - Fr.18 and postage.

This sucks.
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Old 21.10.2011, 20:44
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Ok, I have been hit by the post office even though the original value of the goods is Fr.56 and delivery was abnout Fr.5. I called them and a very rude lady told me that I got taxed because the value of my goods is:

Fr.56 + Fr.5 (delivery) + Fr.18 (service charge) + Fr.6 VAT

I was very surprised about the last 2 items because that is their charge and should have nothing to do with the value of the goods. So she told me to go read the rules. Sure enough, a couple of paragraphs below the above bits about the Fr.62, it is stated that:

"As a general rule, all services relating to an import item are subject to VAT, whether the services relate to carriage of the items or customs clearance. According to customs regulations, all services rendered before and during the actual customs clearance process are included in the VAT value and taxed accordingly (such as clarifications of value, actual customs clearance, etc.). VAT will be charged at 8% on Swiss Post International's invoice for any unforeseeable services provided during customs clearance. "


Therefore, the Fr.62 limit is actually Fr.62 - Fr.18 and postage.

This sucks.
I agree this sucks.

Could it be that your goods did not have a correct customs form attached? So the PO had to open your parcel to ccheck the value & so you got hit for the 18chf handling fee.
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I agree this sucks.

Could it be that your goods did not have a correct customs form attached? So the PO had to open your parcel to ccheck the value & so you got hit for the 18chf handling fee.
No. That is the handling fee that is charged in every case. My goods were declared perfectly.

If your goods are sent express, then it will be fr.35. Which reduces your allowance even more.
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Old 21.10.2011, 21:17
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No. That is the handling fee that is charged in every case. My goods were declared perfectly.

If your goods are sent express, then it will be fr.35. Which reduces your allowance even more.
Not in every case, I get imported goods by post most weeks that are under 62CHF in value, usually around 45/50CHF, & have never been charged the handling fee.

In recent times 2 packets received this week & one last week.
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Not in every case, I get imported goods by post most weeks that are under 62CHF in value, usually around 45/50CHF, & have never been charged the handling fee.

In recent times 2 packets received this week & one last week.
Sorry, what I meant was in every case where there is some tax to be charged (i.e., where the tax itself is at least Fr.5). If you get charged, it is always the tax + Fr.18 service fee (or Fr.35 if express or if total value is above Fr.500).

Anyway, if you look at the Question preceeding the answer I pasted above, it says:

Charging VAT; with a few exceptions, Swiss Post International invoices list the individual components without Swiss VAT. What’s the reason for these differences? Why do I have to pay VAT at 8% on some components?


Which to me sounds like an admission that they are inconsistent, bit "as a general rule", they would.
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Old 21.10.2011, 21:53
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Re: Import tax on internet purchases

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Fr.56 + Fr.5 (delivery) + Fr.18 (service charge) + Fr.6 VAT
Something seems seriously wrong here.
  • foreign or domestic VAT is not supposed to enter the calculation
  • it's correct that VAT is charged on the service charge but if the original value + shipping cost remains below CHF 62 there is no service charge!
How do you know that the original value + delivery was exactly CHF 56 + 5? Were the values on the declaration form/sticker listed in Swiss Francs? If not the customs office may have used a different exchange rate than the one you calculated with.
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Something seems seriously wrong here.
  • foreign or domestic VAT is not supposed to enter the calculation
  • it's correct that VAT is charged on the service charge but if the original value + shipping cost remains below CHF 62 there is no service charge!
How do you know that the original value + delivery was exactly CHF 56 + 5? Were the values on the declaration form/sticker listed in Swiss Francs? If not the customs office may have used a different exchange rate than the one you calculated with.
The post office lady told me that is the amount they calculated based on the exchange rate (it was USD60 + USD6). Of course I said that it is below Fr.62, but then she said I need to include the Fr.18 and the VAT itself.

I know it sounds seriously wrong, but like the lady told me : read the rules. Besides what I pasted above, see the below, especially the final 2 items:


What are the components of the value of the goods on which VAT is charged?

The value of the goods has a number of components.
Invoice amount
- Foreign VAT
- Rebate
- Discount
- Deposit on packaging
------------------------------------
+ Credits
+ Commission
+ Licence rights
+ Carriage
+ Import/customs duties, border veterinary controls, precious metals controls, etc. (calculated automatically)
+ Customs clearance
= VAT VALUE


The best part is when I told her that I import goods regularly and this has never happened before, she said it is up to them to decide and asked me if she should look up my previous imports and backcharge accordingly. What a cow.

I thought that the value of the goods is not the same as the VAT value, i.e., goods become taxable only when the original value + delivery is above Fr.62, and if it is taxable, then the tax is charged not only on the Fr.62, but also on the Fr.18 and the tax itself. Now it seems that they can interpret that another way to include everything in the Fr.62.
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Old 22.10.2011, 14:27
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The post office lady told me that is the amount they calculated based on the exchange rate (it was USD60 + USD6). Of course I said that it is below Fr.62, but then she said I need to include the Fr.18 and the VAT itself.

I know it sounds seriously wrong, but like the lady told me : read the rules. Besides what I pasted above, see the below, especially the final 2 items:


What are the components of the value of the goods on which VAT is charged?

The value of the goods has a number of components.
Invoice amount
- Foreign VAT
- Rebate
- Discount
- Deposit on packaging
------------------------------------
+ Credits
+ Commission
+ Licence rights
+ Carriage
+ Import/customs duties, border veterinary controls, precious metals controls, etc. (calculated automatically)
+ Customs clearance
= VAT VALUE


The best part is when I told her that I import goods regularly and this has never happened before, she said it is up to them to decide and asked me if she should look up my previous imports and backcharge accordingly. What a cow.

I thought that the value of the goods is not the same as the VAT value, i.e., goods become taxable only when the original value + delivery is above Fr.62, and if it is taxable, then the tax is charged not only on the Fr.62, but also on the Fr.18 and the tax itself. Now it seems that they can interpret that another way to include everything in the Fr.62.
Original VAT should not be charged , if it was then tough , that's what you paid plus shipping.

I bought some prescription glasses from the UK £15 + £5 shipping, they asked for proof of cost , I provided and received tax free in ch .
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Original VAT should not be charged , if it was then tough , that's what you paid plus shipping.
No there was no original VAT. It says clearly, - Foreign VAT, but +import/custom duties.

I just got off the phone with the post again. This time I got a helpful guy. I told him the situation and he confirmed my thoughts. There are 2 separate calculations:

1) to be exempt from tax, the value of the goods including delivery ONLY must be below CHF62.

2) Once the tax value is above CHF62, let's say it is CHF63, then CHF18 service fee will be added to this amount as we have to pay tax on that as well. So for goods valued at CHF63, you will be taxed for an amount of around CHF81.

Some of his colleagues, he admits, are confused about the difference between 1 and 2, so they add the Fr.18 into the calculation for 1. For this he apologized and said that they have too many parcels to process and they have too many part-timers and traineess, blah blah blah.

This explains why some posters here have reported having had to pay tax even though the value is below Fr.62. They are making mistakes, so you would have to fight for your money back... and I had to call a different people to get my money back so far...
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Re: Import tax on internet purchases

Hi

Reading here I have one question:
Does any one have registered for packstation service in Germany? Or mabye there is posibility to use your registrstration on having my parcel sent to your packstation?
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Old 27.10.2011, 19:57
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for Hermes you do not have to register - just give the address of your nearest packstation
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Re: Import tax on internet purchases

The whole system is very confusing fr me!

Im interested in buying some skis and boots over the internet. They would be posted from France and would cost rougly 280 Euros and p&p of roughly 37 euros.

What extra charges am I likely to face?

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Im interested in buying some skis and boots over the internet. They would be posted from France and would cost rougly 280 Euros and p&p of roughly 37 euros.

What extra charges am I likely to face?
Assuming 1€ = 1.2 CHF;

Tax on 317€ = 25.36 CHF
Handling Fee = 18 CHF (if Swiss Post is used - may be more if couriered)
+ maybe a few franks in other bits

So overall you're looking at around the 45-50 CHF mark. You can add maybe another 20 if a courier is used.
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Re: Import tax on internet purchases

Hi,
Has anyone ever refused to collect (and hence pay) for something where there's been a charge ?

I've got something waiting at the post which is valued at CHF 68 and the yellow slip says I'm going to have to pay CHF 25.10. So I'm considering just not collecting it on the assumption it will get returned to sender. Whilst I admit 25 is not much compared to some of the charges I've seen here but it's close on 40% which has got to be modern-day piracy!!

Any ideas anyone ?
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Yes, you can have it returned to the sender, but I'd assume you would have to let the post office know. I have done this in the past.

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Has anyone ever refused to collect (and hence pay) for something where there's been a charge ?

I've got something waiting at the post which is valued at CHF 68 and the yellow slip says I'm going to have to pay CHF 25.10. So I'm considering just not collecting it on the assumption it will get returned to sender. Whilst I admit 25 is not much compared to some of the charges I've seen here but it's close on 40% which has got to be modern-day piracy!!

Any ideas anyone ?
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Assuming 1€ = 1.2 CHF;

Tax on 317€ = 25.36 CHF
Handling Fee = 18 CHF (if Swiss Post is used - may be more if couriered)
+ maybe a few franks in other bits

So overall you're looking at around the 45-50 CHF mark. You can add maybe another 20 if a courier is used.
Swiss Post is adding 2% so it's 10% VAT plus handling fee.
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Re: Import tax on internet purchases

Recieved a bill today for taxes on some motorcycle parts I oredered from England:

Value: CHF 656, so VAT = CHF 52.50

Charges: CHF 8 + VAT = CHF 8.65

Way to go DPD!

Lowest charges I've seen, they'll be getting my business in the future!

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Swiss Post is adding 2%
No, they don't.

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