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Standing next to someone on a railway platform, however unpleasant, is unlikely to do you any harm.

Spending all night in a smoky pub or being in a car daily with a smoker could do you permanent harm. It tends to affect children more.
It's a cumulative effect. How many people are only exposed as a one-off on a railway platform? Be serious now.

Yes, it does affect children more and unborn ones in particular. As a pregnant woman, I am particularly conscious of this but feel helpless as I breathe in smoke virtually everywhere I walk.
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Re: Smokers on railway stations

I take it the OP doesnt smoke then
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I take it the OP doesnt smoke then
well obviously.

And these smoker bashing threads are such fun!
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Nein, I`m not missing any points. Merely pointing out that you missed their point and misinterpreted what was written. The object under discussion was Cheese. Not smoke.
The thread is about smoking. You're telling me the post about cheese was totally unrelated and not meant to draw parallels? Riiight.

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Eating a lot of crap does also affect others, like one`s family who have to watch the obese one waddling around on swollen legs, short of breath, organs suffocating in fat layers - crap food also causes cancers, which also cost families their life savings.
Oh c'mon now. Of course it's painful to watch a loved one kill themselves with cigarettes or food. I know all too well. But it doesn't change the fact that secondhand smoke is something forced on non-smokers and it has physically damaging effects.

But hey, you can now go off about the stress experienced by watching a loved one be obese and how this might lead one to commit suicide or die of a stress-induced ulcer or what have you. Smoking justification knows no boundaries.

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Hey! At least you get smoke-free restaurants these days!
Word to that.

P.S. I also want to add that I'm impressed with the posts in this thread from considerate smokers who really make an effort to avoid subjecting those around them to their smoke. A bit girlie but *hugs to you all*.
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Re: Smokers on railway stations

On the slightly of topic terms of 'anti-smokers', 'anti-smoking'. One must also aknowledge that smoking IS an physical addiction. Regardless of the persons mental desires about it, there's a physical dependance on it.

I heard a stand-up comedian one say how he hates people who purposely cough when they walk by him smoking. He equated the disrespect to seeing someone in a wheelchair then going up to them and dancing around them.

Not a perfect comparison by any means , but definitely left a imprint in my mind on respect and empathy
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On the slightly of topic terms of 'anti-smokers', 'anti-smoking'. One must also aknowledge that smoking IS an physical addiction. Regardless of the persons mental desires about it, there's a physical dependance on it.

I heard a stand-up comedian one say how he hates people who purposely cough when they walk by him smoking. He equated the disrespect to seeing someone in a wheelchair then going up to them and dancing around them.

Not a perfect comparison by any means , but definitely left a imprint in my mind on respect and empathy
I agree. But we cannot forget the factor of choice here. One only might've made a choice that lands oneself in a wheelchair (i.e. drunk driving, etc.) But one ALWAYS chooses to start smoking- its not an involuntary act.
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Not sure why you've quoted me and replied in this way. My post wasn't referring to "harm" in the sense of healthcare costs but rather, in terms of morbidity and mortality.
You are correct. I did not add this to your quote.
Something strange has happened and nothing to do with me. I had made this comment in regard to another persons comment about cost of peoples obesity.
And before people ask I have had no drink. Will have one now.
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Not sure why you've quoted me and replied in this way. My post wasn't referring to "harm" in the sense of healthcare costs but rather, in terms of morbidity and mortality.
No. Sorry was only putting some numbers in. Sorry if I upset.
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Not sure why you've quoted me and replied in this way. My post wasn't referring to "harm" in the sense of healthcare costs but rather, in terms of morbidity and mortality.
I have ma a response to your coment.... gooodd ...but somehow it is not showing.

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Re: Smokers on railway stations

I did not write this, this is an example of the stupid EF mods with drink.
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Re: Smokers on railway stations

The HB is pretty much open to the elements so i dont see an issue with smoking there - as for cyclists i drive and smoke and have never managed to flick a fag at a cyclist.
As for the I'm allergic to cigarettes brigade what? Don't live in or near cities so because there's slot worse going into your body around town!
I still love my cigarettes and booze but also skiing and exercising - I'm quite fit and look rather healthy. I think if you look into the average lifestyle of a smoker you will probably see why they suffer so much more than average - lazy drinking and food etc...

I dispose of fag ends in bins and ashtrays where possible but I ain't carrying them around in my pocket looking for one.
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You are correct. I did not add this to your quote.
Something strange has happened and nothing to do with me. I had made this comment in regard to another persons comment about cost of peoples obesity.
And before people ask I have had no drink. Will have one now.
*passes you a massive beer* ;p Thanks for clarifying. Seems I still got groaned at for asking you about it. Maybe I'll pass them a massive beer too.
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I agree. But we cannot forget the factor of choice here. One only might've made a choice that lands oneself in a wheelchair (i.e. drunk driving, etc.) But one ALWAYS chooses to start smoking- its not an involuntary act.

Well actually, if the effects of 2nd hand smoke are as bad as complained about, apparently the addiction can be involuntary as well.
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I heard a stand-up comedian one say how he hates people who purposely cough when they walk by him smoking. He equated the disrespect to seeing someone in a wheelchair then going up to them and dancing around them.

Not a perfect comparison by any means , but definitely left a imprint in my mind on respect and empathy
I find it interesting that the comedian in question (and others I have personally heard) think that people purposefully cough in those situations.

I mean, walking near someone who blasts a puff of smoke into the air often MAKES me cough, if I happen to walk through their smoke. Sometimes the smoke is unavoidable (I'm supposed to cross the street to avoid someone who "cuts" in front of me and happens to be smoking?) - the coughing is a physical reaction to inhaling this thoughtless person's smoke. Too bad if it makes them uncomfortable, they've already disturbed my comfort, they can get over it.


That said though, I have friends who smoke and I DO make the choice to sit or stand with them when they go outside to have a smoke. If I can control where I sit in relation to where the smoke is blowing, it's all good (well, good enough anyhow).

The ones that get me are the ones at the bus or tram stop who stand under the protection when the weather is bad. I can understand their desire to do so BUT the rain somehow makes a bit of a wall, keeping the smoke "inside"... So, my request would be for smokers to please, please please make sure you have an umbrella and stand over there ~~~~~~> where your smoke will collect under your umbrella instead of in "my" enclosed breathing space.
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Re: Smokers on railway stations

One can never be a external judge on whether a cough is real or not. I know personally of a lot of people who actively practise this 'fake coughing' around smokers. In Junior high we were told about this and encouraged to do the same 'for the betterment of mankind', so it definitely exists. Regardless of the fine line between an uncontrollable cough and a faker, there's a lot of times you can definitely tell it's one or the other.
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I heard a stand-up comedian one say how he hates people who purposely cough when they walk by him smoking.
Oi, coughing induced by smoke is not nice... Like having a 2 hour University exam with all breaks (including WC) forbidden with 200 other fellows, and the teatcher taking care of us is smoking ciggar on your face.

I had a coughing fit so terrible I left the room for 15 minutes and was lying on the floor outside to try to get some fresh air.

When I came back he had put it away and didn't even raise any problem with the fact that I had left the room without permission. He even offered me a clean tissue for my red eyes. Smoke is mean But I am glad to find not mean smokers (though I know enough @ssholes, unfortunately).

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Re: Smokers on railway stations

I really appreciate considerate smokers, who I have noticed choosing to stand downwind and actually use the butt-friendly bins provided on train stations and at tram & bus stops ... and as somebody else posted, I have also noticed people walk up, stand right next to smokers who had generously chosen to stand away from possible 'victims' and then complain.
I do, however, hate the ridiculous number of cigarette butts that are just dumped on the ground everywhere. People say Switzerland is so clean, but with such easily-solved litter on the ground there is a long way for Zurich to go, in particular!

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The HB is pretty much open to the elements so i dont see an issue with smoking there - as for cyclists i drive and smoke and have never managed to flick a fag at a cyclist.
As for the I'm allergic to cigarettes brigade what? Don't live in or near cities so because there's slot worse going into your body around town!
I still love my cigarettes and booze but also skiing and exercising - I'm quite fit and look rather healthy. I think if you look into the average lifestyle of a smoker you will probably see why they suffer so much more than average - lazy drinking and food etc...

I dispose of fag ends in bins and ashtrays where possible but I ain't carrying them around in my pocket looking for one.
Smoking-related cancers are not directly related to or moderated by your overall health - they either come or they don't, but they come far more often to those who smoke more ... but they also 'catch up' to some people who gave up smoking 20 years ago.

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I dispose of my sandwich wrappers in bins where possible but I ain't carrying them around in my pocket looking for one.
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You can get little butt-containers, with convenient belt clips, in order to hold those things until you get to a place with suitable disposal receptacles - and especially on public transport, there are always bins placed at stops so perhaps you should just exercise your fit body and walk down to one (or, as one other poster does, simply choose to stand next to the bin with the ashtray while you smoke!).

Oh, and you drive and smoke but have never flicked a fag at a cyclist? You must be using your car's ashtray!

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Fags must be having a bad effect on your aiming then

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Having been here now for about 6 weeks I've noticed that, while waiting for trains to Zurich, or back at night, that some people (smokers) seem to think it is totally acceptable to stand next to some normal person (non-smoker) and puff on their cancer-sticks, exhaling their carcinogenic fumes for everyone else to inhale... so (with looks of disgust) I just move somewhere else on the gleiss only to have the same thing happen again.
Ok, 'when in Rome' and all that... but is this normal acceptable behaviour in Switzerland, or are these people just the Swiss equivalent of the anti-social scum we have in England... because even if I was (god forbid) a smoker then I wouldn't force someone else to endanger their health in this way....

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Smoking is prohibited in the "underground" rail-facilities and in all restaurants and shops, except some sectors of restaurants in the main hall which are considered "open-air".

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