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Old 21.11.2012, 10:23
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If Starbucks has the best coffee in the world, then you don't know what a REAL coffee is like!
it took 22 posts, but finally somebody fell for it
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Old 21.11.2012, 10:25
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I don't know whether this has been discussed here before but apparently, SBB and Starbucks are teaming up and there will be a pilot launched on 2 trains (St.Gallen - Geneva), where you'll be able to purchse Starbucks beverages and snacks. I welcome such an implementation but would like to see such Starbucks counters on more than just 2 trains.
I don't think there will be a counter. I think it's more along the lines of the minibar trolley having one or two Starbucks products on offer. A bit like on Easyjet.
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Old 21.11.2012, 10:31
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I don't think there will be a counter. I think it's more along the lines of the minibar trolley having one or two Starbucks products on offer. A bit like on Easyjet.
...looks like a counter to me.
http://www.blick.ch/news/kaffee-bei-...id2096332.html
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Old 21.11.2012, 10:42
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Apologies - I misread it on your first post (tiny screen) - sorry

I think I'm just allergic to this masturbatory tone that coffee lovers sometimes share with wine bores - its just a freakin' beverage. It hasn't been squeezed from the horn of a baby unicorn and filtered through the stockings of Costa Rican virgins. Either you like it or you don't. How the hell people can criticise others for their choice of coffee outlet is amazing to me...Its a subjective thing, not objective
It's hard for someone to understand the enthusiasm of others for something they don't feel strongly about. I can talk food and drink for hours with like minded friends, and I love cultures where this is considered normal (Italy, anyone?). There is much more to it than 'like or dislike' if you have an educated and experienced palate, and finding words to describe taste is a challenge, as it is when describing music or architecture. For every snob that talks rubbish there are people who are genuinely enthusiastic and take great joy in transmitting and sharing their experiences and knowledge.

But I do get a laugh from people who buy into every marketing ploy and believe everything they hear, but who can't trust their own taste buds and experience. Blind tasting is a wonderful exercise in humility and finding out how easily influenced we are by expectations, visual clues, suggestion, etc. Everyone should try it at least once.

When it comes to coffee, though, freshness pretty much trumps everything else- I despair when people buy $50/kilo beans from Ethiopia or Jamaica that were roasted months ago and are sold loose in bulk. Better off with any decent blend that has been vacuum packed or is sold loose and has been very recently roasted.
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Yeah....i used to think I was a whisky specialist, but fell out of love with it when I visited a flavour company. Don't push me for details if you enjoy the mystique of it, but my magic fell away then.
I'm interested to hear about your experience. Are you talking about Scotch whisky blends or malts?
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Old 21.11.2012, 13:34
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But I do get a laugh from people who buy into every marketing ploy and believe everything they hear, but who can't trust their own taste buds and experience. Blind tasting is a wonderful exercise in humility and finding out how easily influenced we are by expectations, visual clues, suggestion, etc. Everyone should try it at least once.
I've done that with people who keep showing off convinced that they're wine experts and look down on a cheap bottle of wine (which gets rave reviews).
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Old 21.11.2012, 17:25
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You arabica lovers better enjoy it while you can... http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/40...al-botanic.htm

First superstorms and now we're going to have to face the day without a decent cuppa? *sob*
I think you have to look at the climate change in a wider perspective. The coffee plantations in 70 years possibly will no longer be in Africa but in the Po region in Lombardia and in the southern Ticino. Cornwall and Devon will become major wine producers. And oranges will be harvested in the outskirts of Paris. And in Switzerland, there will be vineyards along the Vierwaldstättersee and in the Emmental. The Canton of Appenzell will join the wine-producers. Chicco d'Oro coffee will be made of coffee varieties grown in the Magadino-Plains and around Mendrisio !
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Old 21.11.2012, 17:47
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Can't stand Starbucks coffee and their huge thick mugs- but hey ho, each to his/her own.

At a tangent though, many people in the UK are currently boycotting Starbucks for choosing to pay (much lower) taxes in CH and none in the UK. Does anyone know where Starbucks CH pay taxes to - the Cayman Islands??

Costa on the other hand seem to be paying fair taxes in the UK - and their coffee is marginally better.
While I like the nice big mugs of them, which keep the coffee warm and are good for the flavour.

Starbucks in Switzerland is located in TWO places

Suche nach Firma: starbucks
(2 Suchresultate am 21.11.2012 um 16:36) [Stand: 21.11.2012 227/2012]
Zentraler Firmenindex - Eidgenössisches Amt für das Handelsregister
Starbucks Coffee Switzerland AG
in Volketswil, AG, +++, CH-053.3.014.816-6, PDF
Starbucks Coffee Trading Company Sàrl
in Lausanne, GmbH, +++, CH-550.1.027.986-8

which means that the sales inside Switzerland are taxed in Volketswil with the Canton of Zürich the main beneficiary, but the trading-profits in the rest of Europe in Lausanne with the Canton of Vaud as the main beneficiary.

In regard to Costa, it is interesting to see that they are active in the U.K. and Ireland, in China and India, in the Mashreek (Asian part of the Arab World) and in Egypt, in Russia and Eastern Europe, but according to their WEBsite not yet in Western Continental Europe
http://www.costacoffee.com/
but once they enter the area they may relocate their "technical" HQ to Vaduz or Luxemburg or Monaco
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Old 21.11.2012, 18:09
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I don't know whether this has been discussed here before but apparently, SBB and Starbucks are teaming up and there will be a pilot launched on 2 trains (St.Gallen - Geneva), where you'll be able to purchse Starbucks beverages and snacks. I welcome such an implementation but would like to see such Starbucks counters on more than just 2 trains.
"Pilot project" means that they first have to test the idea. St. Gallen-Geneva however of course is what I regard as THE mainline of SBB as it goes through
St. Gallen
ICN 536
Gossau SG
Wil SG
Winterthur
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Zürich HB
Aarau
Olten
Solothurn
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Neuchâtel
Yverdon-les-Bains
Morges
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Genève-Aéroport

and so looks like being a good testing ground. As far as I read it in the papers, the idea of Starbucks is to have dozens of bistros on board of SBB trains
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Old 21.11.2012, 18:25
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I've done that with people who keep showing off convinced that they're wine experts and look down on a cheap bottle of wine (which gets rave reviews).
10 years ago, working at a specialty counter for wine, cheese, meats, coffee, and chocolate I decided to never pay more than $15 for a bottle of wine again (this was in the USA). I've been disappointed a few times, but generally happy, and never regretted that decision. I'm pursuing the same here in CH and, so far, the wine has only improved while staying the same low price!

Cool study at Caltech on price and perception:

"Antonio Rangel, an associate professor of economics at Caltech, and his colleagues found that changes in the stated price of a sampled wine influenced not only how good volunteers thought it tasted, but the activity of a brain region that is involved in our experience of pleasure. In other words, "prices, by themselves, affect activity in an area of the brain that is thought to encode the experienced pleasantness of an experience," Rangel says."

http://www.caltech.edu/content/wine-...ces-perception
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Old 21.11.2012, 18:39
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"Antonio Rangel, an associate professor of economics at Caltech, and his colleagues found that changes in the stated price of a sampled wine influenced not only how good volunteers thought it tasted, but the activity of a brain region that is involved in our experience of pleasure. In other words, "prices, by themselves, affect activity in an area of the brain that is thought to encode the experienced pleasantness of an experience," Rangel says."

http://www.caltech.edu/content/wine-...ces-perception
Interesting.

That's how a Champagne house spokeswoman said that they could justify the high prices for their champagne even though some of the supermarket branded champagnes beat them in blind-tasting tests.

K-Tipps magazine usually has a wine review each month and some of the Lidl ones come out really well.
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Talking about Champagne, quality and prices, don't forget our excellent Swiss Champagne for the festivities - at very reasonable prices.

www.mauler.ch
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I'm interested to hear about your experience. Are you talking about Scotch whisky blends or malts?
Both. There are no ingredient panels on whisky bottles
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Both. There are no ingredient panels on whisky bottles
That's because we know what the ingredients are. Glass.
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That's because we know what the ingredients are. Glass.
Bottle top, label, collar thingy so you don't nick it. Amateur
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Re: Starbucks Coffee

I love starbucks.
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That is because you have never had a Jura


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That's because we know what the ingredients are. Glass.
I like my glass to be organically grown, fair trade and without additives.
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Bottle top, label, collar thingy so you don't nick it. Amateur
who would nick the bottle when you can just drink the whisky?
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