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Old 28.01.2014, 08:59
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I just don't understand how chains such as Starbucks and Subway can attract clients here in Switzerland when there are plenty of places selling infinitely superior products at significantly cheaper prices.
Superior what? It is all relative.

I used to think Starbucks was awful. Then I had kids. Big sofas, can do staff, nothing ever a problem, and at the time one of the few no smoking places.

Besides, I have a sweet tooth and like their raspberry white choc cheesecake.

Their coffee though, is over-roasted for my taste.
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Old 28.01.2014, 10:34
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I just don't understand how chains such as Starbucks and Subway can attract clients here in Switzerland when there are plenty of places selling infinitely superior products at significantly cheaper prices.
When Starbucks came here, their coffee (I mean their real coffee) was clearly high above average. It is still good. And at the beginning it was one of the few who banned smoking what brought them lots of customers

The products of Subway are average at least and possibly better than average
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Superior what? It is all relative.

I used to think Starbucks was awful. Then I had kids. Big sofas, can do staff, nothing ever a problem, and at the time one of the few no smoking places.

Besides, I have a sweet tooth and like their raspberry white choc cheesecake.

Their coffee though, is over-roasted for my taste.
Just well roasted
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Superior what? It is all relative.

I used to think Starbucks was awful. Then I had kids. Big sofas, can do staff, nothing ever a problem, and at the time one of the few no smoking places.

Besides, I have a sweet tooth and like their raspberry white choc cheesecake.

Their coffee though, is over-roasted for my taste.
While I am not by no means a coffee connoisseur as I mostly drink tea, I personally find a Starbucks Cappucino absolutely delicious. Whether it's "real coffee" or not as WOlli says is irrelevant, as I enjoy it far more than some of the rocket fuel I get in many cafe and workplace machines.
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When Starbucks came here, their coffee (I mean their real coffee) was clearly high above average. It is still good. And at the beginning it was one of the few who banned smoking what brought them lots of customers

The products of Subway are average at least and possibly better than average
In my view Starbucks are essentially the McDonalds of coffee. They train their baristas in a week or 2 and then they start work. Anyone can make coffee but you can't become a barista after 2 weeks!

A basic cappuccino should be 1 part expresso to 1 part steamed milk to 1 part froth so in a good coffee shop you will only ever get cappuccino in a small bowl like cup. Regardless of ordering a small coffee or the paint bucket sized large cup in Starbucks they put the same amount of coffee into the mug which means that the measurements are not correct. What it says is that despite the fancy machinery etc. and the highest prices you are not drinking barista grade coffee!

When they arrived Starbucks would have been a good coffee as there wasn't much competition about to compare it to. I'd like to say look elsewhere but there does seem to be a problem in Switzerland(in Zurich at least) with finding good coffee.. What Starbucks do have is a really strong brand and nice seating areas which of course will appeal to many who will prioritise this aspect above quality of product.

"Starbucks says they are going to start putting religious quotes on cups. The very first one will say, 'Jesus! This cup is expensive!'" - Conan O'Brien
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You do realise you are only stating your opinion and not fact.

It's just that I think you convince yourself otherwise.
My opinion is that the coffee of Starbucks is superb and something of the best you can get. But rather overpriced. And their competition (cafés + coffees) has improved
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My opinion is that the coffee of Starbucks is superb and something of the best you can get. But rather overpriced. And their competition (cafés + coffees) has improved
Not the Starbucks saga again!
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In my view Starbucks are essentially the McDonalds of coffee. They train their baristas in a week or 2 and then they start work. Anyone can make coffee but you can't become a barista after 2 weeks!

A basic cappuccino should be 1 part expresso to 1 part steamed milk to 1 part froth so in a good coffee shop you will only ever get cappuccino in a small bowl like cup. Regardless of ordering a small coffee or the paint bucket sized large cup in Starbucks they put the same amount of coffee into the mug which means that the measurements are not correct. What it says is that despite the fancy machinery etc. and the highest prices you are not drinking barista grade coffee!

When they arrived Starbucks would have been a good coffee as there wasn't much competition about to compare it to. I'd like to say look elsewhere but there does seem to be a problem in Switzerland(in Zurich at least) with finding good coffee.. What Starbucks do have is a really strong brand and nice seating areas which of course will appeal to many who will prioritise this aspect above quality of product.

"Starbucks says they are going to start putting religious quotes on cups. The very first one will say, 'Jesus! This cup is expensive!'" - Conan O'Brien
Traditional cafés here trained new personnel in one hour or two. And then the bariste were born
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My opinion is that the coffee of Starbucks is superb and something of the best you can get. But rather overpriced. And their competition (cafés + coffees) has improved
Starbucks sells milk, not coffee.
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Old 28.01.2014, 18:16
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Starbucks sells milk, not coffee.
THIS

is NOT milk, neither is THIS

nor this



and THIS is NOT milk either
  1. Espresso
  2. nor this here
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    which means that we apparently do not discuss about the same company. You possibly mean "EMMI"
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While I am not by no means a coffee connoisseur as I mostly drink tea, I personally find a Starbucks Cappucino absolutely delicious. Whether it's "real coffee" or not as WOlli says is irrelevant, as I enjoy it far more than some of the rocket fuel I get in many cafe and workplace machines.
That's why I specifically said for my taste. And yes, I think we've all had "rocket fuel" coffee at some point.
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THIS

is NOT milk, neither is THIS

nor this



and THIS is NOT milk either
  1. Espresso
  2. nor this here
    ......
    .......
    which means that we apparently do not discuss about the same company. You possibly mean "EMMI"
Suggest you get yourself a copy of the "Starbucked" book before blabbering as usual about stuff you have no idea on.
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are starbucks tax dodgers or tax optimizers?
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Suggest you get yourself a copy of the "Starbucked" book before blabbering as usual about stuff you have no idea on.
I do NOT need literature about them, as I often bought COFFEE there and consumed some coffee in their cafés . My idea about them is based on reality
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I do NOT need literature about them, as I often bought COFFEE there and consumed some coffee in their cafés . My idea about them is based on reality
Is that so? Have you actually surveyed their sales figures and seen what is the major contributor to sales and bottomline? Is it espresso's and cappucinos and roasted coffee, or is it half-liter milk-with-a-shot-coffee type beverages?

Your idea about Starbucks seems just as founded on fact as about your ideas about aviation.
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are starbucks tax dodgers or tax optimizers?
Tax optimizes which is fair as everybody does it such as buying a pillar 3, to claiming travel to work. No requirement to pay more tax than required by law.
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Tax optimizes which is fair as everybody does it such as buying a pillar 3, to claiming travel to work. No requirement to pay more tax than required by law.
don't take my post seriously as it was posted on the "subway" thread as a bit of fun and it got moved here by the mods so now it looks like its serious!
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Is that so? Have you actually surveyed their sales figures and seen what is the major contributor to sales and bottomline? Is it espresso's and cappucinos and roasted coffee, or is it half-liter milk-with-a-shot-coffee type beverages?
Hmmm. Is that what this "they sell milk" comment is all about? (Sorry, not read the book, not planning to, so happy for you to educate me.)

But if it is, it is a pretty weak argument/reason for not liking them as a "coffee" place. If you want to measure it that way, sure, technically they "sell milk"... but, really is that the main gripe?!?

Shorrick - are you Marvin the Milkman? http://www.sbuxdrama.com/2009/09/doe...cow-juice.html



Maybe this should be merged with the "third world problems" thread...
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Is that so? Have you actually surveyed their sales figures and seen what is the major contributor to sales and bottomline? Is it espresso's and cappucinos and roasted coffee, or is it half-liter milk-with-a-shot-coffee type beverages?

Your idea about Starbucks seems just as founded on fact as about your ideas about aviation.

I never did check their sales figures. And I am not interested about what is most important for their turnover. All alright as long as they sell the stuff I want.

You however may look at the clientele of many Starbucks places. A heavy share of the customers are teenagers. And they have to care for that section of the clientele, which means gallons of Cappucino and Frappucino and Milkshakes etc. I can well remember what I liked in that age, and so do not blame them.

And the whole rest of your rant ? I am used to be confronted by people who originate from the village where people are always right
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You however may look at the clientele of many Starbucks places. A heavy share of the customers are teenagers. And they have to care for that section of the clientele, which means gallons of Cappucino and Frappucino and Milkshakes etc. I can well remember what I liked in that age, and so do not blame them.
Who seem to be getting more and more overweight as each year passes.

Why anyone thinks a 500 calorie drink is good on a daily basis is beyond me.
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