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Old 30.01.2014, 18:29
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thanks but you do realize that Starbucks sell skinny drinks as well. A tall skinny capuccino is 70 calories. most of their full fat tall drinks are roughly 200-250 calories. Only a handful of drinks hit anywhere near the 500 calorie mark and they were venti size
But even 250 calories is a hell of a lot and will take 30 minutes exercise to burn off.

I really think most people do not appreciate this.

Frappes, donuts, cake etc should be seen as special treats and not everyday subsistence.
I think it's the fast food places that have convinced us that this is everyday food.

Do you know what extra I eat before a two or three hour run? one banana.

Do you know what I eat extra when I get back? Nothing.
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Old 30.01.2014, 19:43
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Frappes, donuts, cake etc should be seen as special treats and not everyday subsistence.
I think it's the fast food places that have convinced us that this is everyday food.
You may have a point, but I really think that, in general, it''s at least as much the other way round. The current (younger) generation has largely grown up never feeling hungry, never having their meal sizes limited due to cost, never being forced to eat things they wouldn't choose because that's all there is.

Feeding a family on a low budget used to be about buying cheap food (e.g. cuts of meat) and making it go a long way, using lots of cheap cheats like mushroom soup to make a sauce with hard-boiled eggs and rice, and only ever having fizzie drinks as a special treat on Saturdays when the pop-lorry came round.

More recently it's all about choice, which was a luxury formerly only available to wealthy people. The choice to eat fast food isn't created by the fast-food industry, but it's been more than happy to satisfy the growing greed of the Western world for More! More! More!

What's the answer? Dunno, but regulating availability of certain types of food is waaaay too far over to the nanny-state way of thinking for my liking.
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Old 31.01.2014, 09:57
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What's the answer? Dunno, but regulating availability of certain types of food is waaaay too far over to the nanny-state way of thinking for my liking.
spot on, exactly my thinking
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Old 31.01.2014, 10:02
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spot on, exactly my thinking
It's already happening - in schools in the U.K. for example.

It's because kids can't be trusted to make the right choices.

But, it looks like adults have that problem too.
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As a meal, no. But as a "snack" (whatever that newish word means)

No no no the latest new buzz word is now " treat" its a treat for myself. No you are not a dog and treat is thought up by chub chubs as an excuse to shovel more cakes into the bottomless pie hole.
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Old 31.01.2014, 10:36
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Who seem to be getting more and more overweight as each year passes.

Why anyone thinks a 500 calorie drink is good on a daily basis is beyond me.
My near daily morning "drink" according to an online calorie calc is well over 2000.

3 bananas
500ml full fat milk
150g pot fruit jogurt
150g musli
4 table spoons peanut butter
1 pot greek yogurt
1 tablespoon honey
Plus 1 portion of any other fruit thats around.

30 secs in a blender and done keeps me going till about 11am when I go for lunch.
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Old 31.01.2014, 11:22
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My near daily morning "drink" according to an online calorie calc is well over 2000.

3 bananas
500ml full fat milk
150g pot fruit jogurt
150g musli
4 table spoons peanut butter
1 pot greek yogurt
1 tablespoon honey
Plus 1 portion of any other fruit thats around.

30 secs in a blender and done keeps me going till about 11am when I go for lunch.
If you're not overweight then it's not a problem is it?

Anyway, people who have a big breakfast don't seem to feel the need to snack or have treats during the day.
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Old 31.01.2014, 14:53
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My near daily morning "drink" according to an online calorie calc is well over 2000.
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Old 31.01.2014, 22:34
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Who seem to be getting more and more overweight as each year passes.

Why anyone thinks a 500 calorie drink is good on a daily basis is beyond me.
The problem is the combination.
- a full breakfast in the morning
- a Frappucino AND a hamburger in the middle of the morning
- some icecream after lunch
- a Hamburger AND a Frappucino at 4 pm
- a beer at 6 pm
each of these things as such would not be so bad, but if combined, and if combined with a lack of moving, can do "the job".

But in spite of this, when looking around on the road, the number of fat people over the decades has not increased in a way permanently forcast by the professional alarmists.

REAL problems are different and arrive when people get to above 18
> while in school people MOVE around by feet or per bicycle after 4 pm
> do sports, and then later stop due to time problems
> replace the bicycle with a car (the heaviest factor)
> continue to enjoy sweets as before age 20 but get into beer and wine
> enjoy good meals as before, but are no longer growing
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haha aint that the truth !!!
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Old 31.01.2014, 22:39
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haha aint that the truth !!!
Not necessarily. I'm just as active physically as I was when I was in my early 20s, I eat as much and I weigh as much. It's more that most people are less active, due to office life.

Metabolism does slow down but then drinking a few less beers a week sorts that out. And, to be fair, I drink a lot less now than I did when I was a student.
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Why do you keep asking me questions? I'm not Wikipedia.

And you still haven't the decency to answer my question:

Perhaps you'd be able to take the time to explain what you think has caused the obesity epidemic in the western world.
A) until the 1940ies, women and men with a bit overweight were regarded as NORMAL ("schön korpulent")
B) until the 1950ies, a good part of the people did manual work
C) until the late 1950ies, people did not have a car
D) until the early 1970ies, the choice of icecream usually was limited to chocolate and vanilla
E) Hamburgers were not on the market until the late 1970ies
F) when children went to their football club (an example) they had either to walk or to go by bycicle, as the mothers did not a have a car at their disposal
G) Chocolate until the early 1960ies was, even at Migros (40% below the competition), was rather expensive
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Old 31.01.2014, 23:09
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As a meal, no. But as a "snack" (whatever that newish word means), then yes.
So sorry, but how old are you ?? "Snack" is a word that came up in the late 1950ies, at least in Switzerland, and as it clearly is of English-language-origin it must have been existing elsewhere much earlier
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G) Chocolate until the early 1960ies was, even at Migros (40% below the competition), was rather expensive
But chocolate doesn't make you put weight on so why would it matter if its now so cheap to buy?
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Old 31.01.2014, 23:21
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But chocolate doesn't make you put weight on so why would it matter if its now so cheap to buy?
Chocolate alone not only does NOT make fat and is very healthy. Just as with beer, everything depends on the final combination

I remember a neighbour, a retired beer-brewer, who drank many liters of beer per day but was very slim. He always said that he ate almost nothing and daily went on lengthy walks

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Old 31.01.2014, 23:50
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So sorry, but how old are you ?? "Snack" is a word that came up in the late 1950ies, at least in Switzerland, and as it clearly is of English-language-origin it must have been existing elsewhere much earlier
My sarcasm was lost on you (and at least one other).
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Re: Starbucks Coffee

We always had our '4heures' after school in the 50s after school. A piece of bread and jam, or bread with chocolate (NOT fatty nutella though)- but often an apple. My brother always had a bowl of Muesli.
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Chocolate alone not only does NOT make fat and is very healthy. Just as with bear, everything depends on the final combination
With bear combination, there is not much left when it's finish snaking on you.

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My near daily morning "drink" according to an online calorie calc is well over 2000.

3 bananas
500ml full fat milk
150g pot fruit jogurt
150g musli
4 table spoons peanut butter
1 pot greek yogurt
1 tablespoon honey
Plus 1 portion of any other fruit thats around.

30 secs in a blender and done keeps me going till about 11am when I go for lunch.
That sounds delish - going to give that a go.
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Re: Starbucks Coffee

Put the musli thru a grinder first... maybe reduce the bananas and peanut butter for the first go.
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