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but what is exported to fast food franchisers all over the world is mostly worth quite nothing in terms of food itself - sorry.
I don't know, McDonalds is a pretty successful company, I wouldn't mind owning a franchise, even here in Switerland. Whenever we go to one it is full, and I hear quite a bit of Swiss German being spoken around me as well, ie it isn't just us Americans pining for a taste of home, since McDonalds, is, of course, the essence of American food (there is sarcasm there in case you can't catch it )


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but you might agree that offering American coffee to a Swiss, French, Turk, Italian, Arab, Greek,

is a sacrilege.
I wouldn't know. I don't drink that stuff. I don't know how people manage it, actually. The only times I have tried it I felt nauseous afterwards. Pity, as I do like the way it smells!
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Re: Starbucks Coffee

My first taste of Starbucks coffee was in downtown Manhattan some 1o years ago, before they 'took' over the UK, and now CH. Bitter and horrible- huge cups of nasty stuff.

A boycott perhaps?

Much prefer Lavazza- although the name always makes me laugh, as 'lavasse' in French = dishwater.

I always make sure I go to one of the local Cafés when in the UK, not just because the coffee is (usually) better - but to support independent cafés ad shops and try to stop our towns becoming clones. Every small town with a Costa, a Starbucks, a PizzaHut, a Zizzi (!) a Café Rouge, a Waggamamma, even a Carluccio + all the obvious chain shops. We get the towns we deserve - WE make it happen.
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This thread is now weak and bitter.

Like a Starbucks espresso.
Make it become stronger and fuller.


Turning ot: Was it Italy (I don't think Starbucks exists there) or even also CH where Starbucks had a first complete failure?

How is SB accepted in the German part of CH?

Is it really true they serve their coffee in paper cups? ???
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Oops thought that myself .. at least "among the best" ....
Then don't knock McDonald's
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I don't know, McDonalds is a pretty successful company, I wouldn't mind owning a franchise, even here in Switerland. Whenever we go to one it is full, and I hear quite a bit of Swiss German being spoken around me as well, ie it isn't just us Americans pining for a taste of home, since McDonalds, is, of course, the essence of American food (there is sarcasm there in case you can't catch it )
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Pity that it's that what the US exports in terms of cuisine.

And of course there are reasons to go to MD (you can yell, you can behave badly , you can take small portions ...).

The point is that where you combine this libertine way of having your meal to good cuisine you have a real success, at least regarding Italy e.g.
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Turning ot: Was it Italy (I don't think Starbucks exists there) or even also CH where Starbucks had a first complete failure?
Yes, it was CH, they came and flopped. Only very recent re-entry, probably 5 years or so now back in CH.
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Then don't knock McDonald's
I didn't say that I don't like MacDonald's;

french fries or even salads are not worse than in other fast foods or even foods (and unless I haven't to eat that every day it's OK sometimes),

the point is that even they by themselves normally have a Lavazza coffee machine for their coffee, haven't they?

Because MD is not like Starbucks:

MD offers some value added (apart from the free behavior zone the food is not like that ones in traditional restaurants),

Starbucks tries to offer a substitute (and what's astonishing to me: a worse substitute).
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A boycott perhaps?
According to the Les Temps article I found, they are testing it only on 2 intercity trains between Geneva and St Gallen, in order to satisfy their young clientle with the ambiance of the american chain. It will come about in approx. 1 year for as a pilot project.

Avoid these 2 trains or write to CFF/SBB, Mme. Jeannine Pilloud.
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Old 13.03.2012, 15:01
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Re: Starbucks Coffee

All of this makes me miss Applebee's
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Old 13.03.2012, 15:04
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Pity that it's that what the US exports in terms of cuisine.

And of course there are reasons to go to MD (you can yell, you can behave badly , you can take small portions ...).

The point is that where you combine this libertine way of having your meal to good cuisine you have a real success, at least regarding Italy e.g.

I think it's not only a "what US exports" thing but also should be given consideration is that it is what other countries import. US wouldn't export it if there wasn't a market.

So far as other stuff goes, part of the issue maybe has to do with expense, part has to do with regional differences making things actually taste different. Grow a jalapeno here vs growing one in S. California, due to differences in soil and climate and whatever all else, they won't taste exactly the same. So, then the question is where to source things that will taste the same and work out nicely to recreate desired foods.

I can make grits with white polenta and it fills the void - it tastes different, it isn't "hominy" grits, it simply is white polenta. My eggs and (American style breakfast sausage) don't mind sitting next to it on my plate.
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Re: Starbucks Coffee

I wonder why they don't use Nespresso coffee instead? That seems to be a clear favourite with my colleagues here.
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Old 13.03.2012, 15:23
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I wonder why they don't use Nespresso coffee instead?
Cost (of the capsules and the machine maintenance/servicing).
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A bit of Starbucks trivia. Where is the buying group based that buys all of their green coffee?

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Re: Starbucks Coffee

But the Lavazza stuff they serve now already comes out of a machine and I assume the Starbucks won't be served out of a thermos-flask.
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I wonder why they don't use Nespresso coffee instead? That seems to be a clear favourite with my colleagues here.
Just because it is a favorite of your colleagues doesn't mean everyone likes it.

I happily drink it when offered, but I'm not a fan of the capsule systems - I much prefer a nice large mug of sweet and creamy "joe" which nearly requires two hands to hold. Mmmmm mmmm. I don't like the taste of Nespresso any better than I like the taste of Starbucks, while neither are "undrinkable", they are not my favorite either.

I DO like the Tazo Chai from Starbucks, a favorite treat is a nice tall (well, "venti") chai - iced in summer, hot in winter. Although I know that chai experts will find fault with the offerings from Starbucks, it's a tasty indulgence for me all the same.
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I like Starbucks, the stuff is like crack. part of it is the familiarity, which can be nice for people who travel a lot - coffee is at its root nothing more than an exercise in self-medication, and I can trust the process and dosage at any Starbucks anywhere in the world.



that said, Swiss coffees are generally the best I have come across anywhere, couple that with the Swiss pride in their self-subsidized economy and I could see why a Starbucks would flounder here. a Turkish coffee can be quite nice, but it is also stronger than prescription methamphetamine and requires careful drinking (unless you want to digest the sludge at the bottom of the cup). and French coffees are absolutely horrible - my wife and I will never forget walking Paris with our beloved paper cups of Starbucks and getting stopped every 10 feet by some poor soul wondering where they could find a real coffee.
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I wonder why they don't use Nespresso coffee instead? That seems to be a clear favourite with my colleagues here.
Would you happen to work at the same place as Dani-boy...
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Just because it is a favorite of your colleagues doesn't mean everyone likes it.

I happily drink it when offered, but I'm not a fan of the capsule systems - I much prefer a nice large mug of sweet and creamy "joe" which nearly requires two hands to hold. Mmmmm mmmm. I don't like the taste of Nespresso any better than I like the taste of Starbucks, while neither are "undrinkable", they are not my favorite either.

I DO like the Tazo Chai from Starbucks, a favorite treat is a nice tall (well, "venti") chai - iced in summer, hot in winter. Although I know that chai experts will find fault with the offerings from Starbucks, it's a tasty indulgence for me all the same.
But Nespresso is Swiss - makes sense to team up with a fellow Swiss company and keep the profits in the country.
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Re: Starbucks Coffee

'Normal' coffee machines like in Lavazza use a twist pod and loose coffee, so the waste product is totally recyclable and compostable. So are my Senseo pods for my home coffee machine- paper pods which go straight into compost. Most cafés, and even Starbucks (in our local UK one they used to advertise this) will allow you to take waste coffee for the garden if you ask nicely. Great to place around tender plants, mixed with grit and wood ash, to dissuade slugs and snails.

Nespresso on the other hand use aluminium and the waste and pollution, etc, linked to production and disposal is huge. Switzerland actually recycles about half (very fiddly process, as each capsule has to be emptied) - but in France it is only about 2%, and worldwide very very low.

BTW, you can buy refillable capsules suitable for Nespresso machines in France. Fill with your favourite coffee, and later tip the spent grounds in a jar and put in green bin, use in garden or compost.

Nespresso intend to fight this legally but I cannot see how anyone will uphold their monopole…le loi – c’est soif An update, spotted this site www.ne-cap.fr do an empty capsule you can fill up with your own ground. Ooh, sounds even better!2nd update!

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Re: Starbucks Coffee

Going off topic, heard one could get a free Latte or cappuchino at starbucks till tomorrow; if you showed them this:
http://coffee.starbucks.ch/facebook/...voucher_ch.pdf
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