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Old 23.03.2014, 12:31
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What is it talking about then?
People submit photographs from Starbucks all over the world.

Isn't the internet grand?
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I too once thought sbux coffee was good. I now realize it was all the milk and sugar thats good, not the actuall coffee.
Had my first cup (swimming pool) of Starbucks coffee in lower Manhattan a looong time before they came to Europe - and found it watery and bitter and horrible (no sugar, no milk...) - and the current tax situation had nothing to do with it- it's crap, irrespective of tax paid or unpaid
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Old 23.03.2014, 13:13
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So are you saying at Starbucks in Manhattan it was not possible to have milk or sugar? I find it most unlikely
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So are you saying at Starbucks in Manhattan it was not possible to have milk or sugar? I find it most unlikely
Perhaps they hadn't been invented yet?
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Old 23.03.2014, 14:03
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Perhaps they hadn't been invented yet?
Well she did say it was a looooooong time ago.
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The first Starbucks in Manhattan.
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I'd learnt to milk a cow a long time before my first Starbucks experience actually. It was only 14 years ago in fact- must check when they first opened a café in the UK

Edit- 1998.

So Starbucks following and photos is the new Eddie Stobbart then?

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Old 23.03.2014, 15:41
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Had my first cup (swimming pool) of Starbucks coffee in lower Manhattan a looong time before they came to Europe - and found it watery and bitter and horrible (no sugar, no milk...) - and the current tax situation had nothing to do with it- it's crap, irrespective of tax paid or unpaid
I have over the past few years drastically reduced sugar and milk I take with coffee. And I do not regard Starbucks as bitter at all. Yes, the "large" cups tend to be watery. I for decades suffered under the "coffee" of the Zürich Airport restaurants and Cantinas, where normal coffee was at least as watery as Starbucks-Grand but without flavour. Only the Espresso was halfway acceptable. The Starbucks prepackaged coffee for home consumption was good from the start. The best about Starbucks was that it forced the local cafés in Zürich to improve their coffees. Before Starbucks arrived, coffee in most cafés was bad, increasingly bad. Those café people of Switzerland and Italia vintage of the 1960ies and 1970ies had long ago given way to those folks from the Socialist Federal Republic of Ruritania
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I am at ZH airport , what was Starbucks is now bye bye cafe, Swiss staff & diabolical tasteless watery coffee. Made by an automatic machine , god help Switzerland, back to the old standards .
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I am at ZH airport , what was Starbucks is now bye bye cafe, Swiss staff & diabolical tasteless watery coffee. Made by an automatic machine , god help Switzerland, back to the old standards .
I know the ByeByeBar. There is (and was, over a decade or more) ONE young lady (no longer that young after 20 years) of CH vintage, but the others are from wherever, mostly indeed from Ruritania
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I know the ByeByeBar. There is (and was, over a decade or more) ONE young lady of CH vintage, but the others are from wherever, mostly indeed from Ruritania
No ladies at all, had it been full of young chicks aiming to please, I would not have complained. Slow service , waited even longer to pay, normal service resumed.
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Old 23.03.2014, 16:44
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No ladies at all, had it been full of young chicks aiming to please, I would not have complained. Slow service , waited even longer to pay, normal service resumed.
Among the men in the place there never ever was a single Swiss. But the failures who organize(d) the place out from a back-office may be Swiss.

You on Saturday mornings may see a chap arriving by bicycle and parking his bike just beside the BBB. He is quite intelligent but since his nervous breakdown at TWA ZRH 20 years ago a bit strange. He knows all BBB folks by first-name and always brings them the Blick-am-Abend of the evening before. If you meet him, they excel in good service

And the young chick I mentioned now is at least aged 55
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Old 23.03.2014, 17:36
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Re: Starbucks Coffee

This could be a very long post so might divide - dog giving me the ipad roll-eyes (I worked for Starbucks in UK at one point long ago to help fund my graduate studies, although when I left on maternity leave my apron said Seattle Coffee Company)

Although Starbucks started out in Seattle Pike Place market on a small scale, and in the late 80's in the US was a nice switch from what had become a land of flavoured coffee beans - beans infused in every sort of oil/flavour from rather tame cinnamon to creepy marshmallow - by the late 90's the concept had grown so large and I think trying to cater to too many tastes. As a mostly black coffee drinker it didn't take me long to realise my standard order was no longer on the menu (but could be made if I asked). The main focus was no longer on the coffee but rather the cafe experience (food/music etc). As part of the expansion they started branching up as licensed franchise shops - thus the quality control of some shop in lower Manhattan hard to judge, let alone some Starbucks in a supermarket.

I too find the plain brew a bit watery - but adding a few extra shots made a nice cup (and the UK starbucks card gives free extra shots and a free refill In the right location Starbucks did become an office out of the house which was great. But the bigger is better trend has really tainted my impressions of the company - and certainly not helped the customers who will order anything if available. A grande frapuccino in a creme version has the same amount of calories as a pint of Häagen Dazs, and could the customer read the ingredients on the cream base package, might realise how many E's and numbers are in there. The frozen drinks are very expensive ice!! But when the weather warms that is what is causing that looong queue.

Starbucks packaged beans are fairly reliable I think - and if one is otherwise buying beans in the supermarket and not an artisan roastery - decently priced. However I must admit I buy beans in the UK and take them back, stuff the CH freezer full. You know how there is a McDonalds index of the cost of a burger in different countries? The price of a bag of Starbucks beans is another interesting comparison agent (I have never eaten a McD burger but downed more than my share of brown liquid). But I am going to save that for another instalment

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Not really sure how the nationality is relevant here. Surely it's not rocket science to press a button on an automatic machine and the coffee will be the same irrespective of the nationality of the button pusher?
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Not really sure how the nationality is relevant here. Surely it's not rocket science to press a button on an automatic machine and the coffee will be the same irrespective of the nationality of the button pusher?

It's the concept of an automatic machine that used powdered milk, sold for a premium price, is what I object to.

Just low standards I don't drink Nescafé either.
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It's the concept of an automatic machine that used powdered milk, sold for a premium price, is what I object to.

Just low standards I don't drink Nescafé either.
Yes I get that it's Wolli's assumption that the non Swiss personnel were to blame that I found difficult to comprehend. The machine will still make the same crappy coffee irrespective of who pushes the button.

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Not really sure how the nationality is relevant here. Surely it's not rocket science to press a button on an automatic machine and the coffee will be the same irrespective of the nationality of the button pusher?
You mix up some things here.

It was said that the present mess was a Swiss thing, and so I pointed to the fact that this was not the case.

Service very often depends on the background organisation

Service however is not a technical but a personal thing. But indeed a personal and a cultural thing. In Italy or in the Arab World or in Turkey, to be in the gastronomy for centuries was something positive. In the Balkans however, not least in Communist Yugoslavia and other communist states, tasks in gastronomy were NOT seen positively but rather like slave labour.
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It was said that the present mess was a Swiss thing, and so I pointed to the fact that this was not the case.
Except that it's a Swiss cafe, in a Swiss airport, in a Swiss city in Switzerland.

... but apart from that it isn't a Swiss thing at all...
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You mix up some things here.

It was said that the present mess was a Swiss thing, and so I pointed to the fact that this was not the case.

Service very often depends on the background organisation

Service however is not a technical but a personal thing. But indeed a personal and a cultural thing. In Italy or in the Arab World or in Turkey, to be in the gastronomy for centuries was something positive. In the Balkans however, not least in Communist Yugoslavia and other communist states, tasks in gastronomy were NOT seen positively but rather like slave labour.
Well that makes things as clear as mud.
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