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The Italians yes, but I haven't had a decent cup of coffee in France for years.
"Omtatsat" spoke about the "drinking" of coffee

But yes, coffee in France is nothing to be praised
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"Omtatsat" spoke about the "drinking" of coffee

But yes, coffee in France is nothing to be praised
I'm not a coffee snob, but I have to say that coffee in France is terrible. A bit surprising...isn't it?..and the best coffee you can get is in Italy, of course.
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Old 28.03.2014, 08:21
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I'm not a coffee snob, but I have to say that coffee in France is terrible. A bit surprising...isn't it?..and the best coffee you can get is in Italy, of course.
In a country where a DECIlitre of Coffee costs as much as a DECIliter of GOOD Wine this is not surprising
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Re: Starbucks Coffee

Lots of generalisations flying about...coffee in France, coffee in Italy, wine in either, etc. France, just to pick on one, is a pretty big country, and I think the range of coffee experiences one could cite would reflect this, as well as the range of cultures (and thus coffee "style/type" preferences.)

What defines "good" coffee? A bean buyer may have criteria that are lost by the time it reaches the cup. On the other hand, even with B-rate beans one can make a pretty mean Joe with a filter and decent water.

As Mirfield said, what one wants from a coffee depends on the circumstances - and chilling in *$ is sometimes just the thing, but on another occasion one may want that perfectly drawn shot in a tiny cup. To be honest, at the top of a mountain after a winter climb or on a multi-day hike there is not much more to ask from a decent instant and a thermos flask of hot water

I don't think comparing the price of a "good" wine to "good" coffee is very effective. The raw materials of each require fairly labour intensive growing and harvesting.
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Old 28.03.2014, 14:09
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Re: Starbucks Coffee

I have to disagree again with this comment. I've resorted to Starbucks 3 times this week and each time ordered exactly the same thing which is a double tall latte using the origins espresso and I have received a totally different cup of coffee each time. All three have been drinkable with todays being only just so but the taste and texture of the drink has been different each time. I'm really hoping next week I can get to my usual place for lunchtime coffee more often.

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I'll give Starbucks props for creating a consistent product. While SB is not the best (nor the worst) coffee out there, I have found that you can walk into any SB in the world and order from a consistent menu and get a consistent drink. A mocha latte here tastes like a mocha latte in London, tastes like a mocha latte in Florida, where I'm from.
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Lots of generalisations flying about...coffee in France, coffee in Italy, wine in either, etc. France, just to pick on one, is a pretty big country, and I think the range of coffee experiences one could cite would reflect this, as well as the range of cultures (and thus coffee "style/type" preferences.)

What defines "good" coffee? A bean buyer may have criteria that are lost by the time it reaches the cup. On the other hand, even with B-rate beans one can make a pretty mean Joe with a filter and decent water.

As Mirfield said, what one wants from a coffee depends on the circumstances - and chilling in *$ is sometimes just the thing, but on another occasion one may want that perfectly drawn shot in a tiny cup. To be honest, at the top of a mountain after a winter climb or on a multi-day hike there is not much more to ask from a decent instant and a thermos flask of hot water

I don't think comparing the price of a "good" wine to "good" coffee is very effective. The raw materials of each require fairly labour intensive growing and harvesting.
Agreed. Roasting the beans can take years to learn properly too. The best roasters are in high demand all over the world. Artists in their own right.
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Old 28.03.2014, 14:23
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Re: Starbucks Coffee

I have my own personal reference scale for what something "good" is worth to me, and how much I am prepared to spend. I don't think I am alone in this OH really likes wine, I really like coffee - we don't discuss whether his "red" or my "brown" are better value for money.
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Old 28.03.2014, 18:07
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Lots of generalisations flying about...coffee in France, coffee in Italy, wine in either, etc. France, just to pick on one, is a pretty big country, and I think the range of coffee experiences one could cite would reflect this, as well as the range of cultures (and thus coffee "style/type" preferences.)

What defines "good" coffee? A bean buyer may have criteria that are lost by the time it reaches the cup. On the other hand, even with B-rate beans one can make a pretty mean Joe with a filter and decent water.

As Mirfield said, what one wants from a coffee depends on the circumstances - and chilling in *$ is sometimes just the thing, but on another occasion one may want that perfectly drawn shot in a tiny cup. To be honest, at the top of a mountain after a winter climb or on a multi-day hike there is not much more to ask from a decent instant and a thermos flask of hot water

I don't think comparing the price of a "good" wine to "good" coffee is very effective. The raw materials of each require fairly labour intensive growing and harvesting.
I agree with the generalisation part, it was only based on my experiences and my idea of "good coffee". Must add that there are places in France where you can drink good coffee, I just don't look too much for them because well, I have to consider the food....
I drink coffee in two circumstances: in the morning (I need my quick caffeine shot ) and sometimes as a dessert, after a heavy lunch, or simply as a treat. I'd gladly replace a super-sweet cake with a creamy cappuccino. Paying x price for a coffee it's always related to timing.
...as for the wine, I'm a snob. Not a connaisseur, mind you. For the moment I mainly held a strong prejudice against most cheap wines, but I'll do that sommelier course when I'll have the time, I promise.
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I need my quick caffeine shot
I wish I knew what that was like. Caffeine doesn't seem to have any affect on me. I'm still slothlike after a couple of double espressos.
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I wish I knew what that was like. Caffeine doesn't seem to have any affect on me. I'm still slothlike after a couple of double espressos.
Weeelll, I'm not anything like this.....unfortunately,



but I'm functional....
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Re: Starbucks Coffee

On another topic, is it me or the Starbuck in Zurich are clearly overpriced?
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Old 30.03.2014, 13:42
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Re: Starbucks Coffee

Depends.

If you order something to go it's clearly overpriced.
If you order something, sit down and then get some work done for two hours it's reasonable.
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Depends.

If you order something to go it's clearly overpriced.
If you order something, sit down and then get some work done for two hours it's reasonable.
With the benefit of no service personnel strolling past your table at periodic intervals to see if it isn't time to order something else
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Depends.

If you order something to go it's clearly overpriced.
If you order something, sit down and then get some work done for two hours it's reasonable.
I think this hits the nail on the head. Many people who go to Starbucks aren't really treating it as a "place to buy a coffee and drink it", but rather as the opportunity to rent a comfy sofa with wifi and pretty scenery and enjoy a milky drink at the same time.

It's the nearest thing we have in most towns to 'lounge rental'.

I recently read somewhere that such a thing now exists in some cities: you pay for the time you spend in the 'lounge' and get coffee and snacks for free, or just a nominal charge. I'll see if I can dig up a link: it's certainly a cool idea.

EDIT: http://london.ziferblat.net/

http://www.theguardian.com/travel/20...-london-russia
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Re: Starbucks Coffee

DB - Just curious, on the topic of brown bev - is that new avatar Guinness with a straw??
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DB - Just curious, on the topic of brown bev - is that new avatar Guinness with a straw??
Puh-leeeeease!

Nah, it's a Greek frappe coffee. Summer's coming and I just fancy one (might have to dig up the shaker if I can be bothered to get up off the sofa).
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Thank you for clarifying that

As for the frappe
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I have to disagree again with this comment. I've resorted to Starbucks 3 times this week and each time ordered exactly the same thing which is a double tall latte using the origins espresso and I have received a totally different cup of coffee each time. All three have been drinkable with todays being only just so but the taste and texture of the drink has been different each time. I'm really hoping next week I can get to my usual place for lunchtime coffee more often.

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Re: Starbucks Coffee

Grew up on Starbucks, even if it might be shitty compared to lavazza. Which it probably is, I can't survive without a cup of a latte. Even in New York all Italian places only offered lavazza but for some reason the Starbucks' were always packed and the illy cafés were very slow in terms of yielding customers.
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Re: Starbucks Coffee

I've done a fair bit of whinging about the quality of Starbucks coffee in this thread but credit where it is due. Today I have had the best coffee I have ever purchased in Switzerland from Starbucks in Zug, there is a new barista working there, or at least I have never seen him before, and he knows how to make a damn fine coffee.
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