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Old 25.05.2014, 23:55
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On another topic, is it me or the Starbuck in Zurich are clearly overpriced?
According to a report published by Deutsche Bank in 2013, The Random Walk: Mapping the World's Prices, the price of a grande latte costs 66% more in Zurich compared to NYC. Still cheap (if you can call it that) compared to the price in Oslo, which costs 129% more than in NY.
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Old 26.05.2014, 09:17
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Re: Starbucks Coffee

If you are ever given one of those "as a sign of our appreciation, give us another chance, the next drink is on us" vouchers save it for Oslo They are valid in the UK, Europe region and Scandinavia region. The last time I traveled through Amsterdam i was given one at the airport for an order that went wrong - when we landed in Oslo, my daughter redeemed it for the largest hibiscus-berry Refresha on the menu, about 65nok worth.
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Old 26.05.2014, 09:33
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Re: Starbucks Coffee

In recent years when I have been in dodgy countries (US, UK, France) I have always ordered a Cappucino. I find the milk and sugar hides the disgusting coffee flavour, which I suppose Starbucks is famous for: milky drinks not tasting of coffee.
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Old 26.05.2014, 09:44
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In recent years when I have been in dodgy countries (US, UK, France) I have always ordered a Cappucino. I find the milk and sugar hides the disgusting coffee flavour, which I suppose Starbucks is famous for: milky drinks not tasting of coffee.
...and the same for Nero and Costa...they would have to pay me to drink the stuff black, my preferred choice. I can tolerate a *$ Americano /brew but only with the added free shots one can get in UK.
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Old 26.05.2014, 09:56
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...and the same for Nero and Costa...they would have to pay me to drink the stuff black, my preferred choice. I can tolerate a *$ Americano /brew but only with the added free shots one can get in UK.
I'm no coffee aficionado but, for my taste, I've found the cheapo, serve yourself, CHF 3.80 a cup coffee from larger Kiosks to be surprisingly good.

OK, so you don't get the sofa and wifi experience but if you are just looking for a coffee on the way to the office, it hits the spot. Plus there's rarely any queue, so maybe it's just me that finds the coffee acceptable.
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Old 26.05.2014, 10:04
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Re: Starbucks Coffee

The "Kiosk" cafe creme is 2.90, and with a pocketful of Rahmli one has quite a treat The "Avec" machines also turn out something decent, although I wish all of them were self-service.

I agree Sandgrounder, any reasonably priced coffee on the go is far better than the one I didn't get to drink before leaving the house.
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Re: Starbucks Coffee

ha i discovered a coffee thread great! I love coffee!

just to fix the basic parameters for coffee:

First of all a coffe comes out of (and I can recommend to anyone exactly this setup):

and not of something like:
or


when you want to make a cappucino / milk coffee / whatever, you just change the Grinder settings! nothing on the machiene!





and a coffee must looks like this:


and certainly not like this (thats how an early grey should look like):



when you put sugar in your coffee, this should happen:
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Old 26.05.2014, 12:22
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ha i discovered a coffee thread great! I love coffee!

just to fix the basic parameters for coffee:

First of all a coffe comes out of (and I can recommend to anyone exactly this setup):

and not of something like:
or



when you want to make a cappucino / milk coffee / whatever, you just change the Grinder settings! nothing on the machiene!





and a coffee must looks like this:


and certainly not like this (thats how an early grey should look like):



when you put sugar in your coffee, this should happen:
But the only criteria that really matters is that a coffee MUST be how you like it.
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Old 26.05.2014, 12:35
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Re: Starbucks Coffee

but then it is just not a coffee anymore ... its an interpretation of if .. just like the examples:


pizza
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hamburgers:

vs

macaroni

vs


cheese
vs

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Old 26.05.2014, 12:42
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but then it is just not a coffee anymore ... its an interpretation of
But then everybody's idea of a "good" anything is just their personal interpretation of it, isn't it?

If it contains coffee, then it's coffee. It might not be everyone's cup of tea (for want of a better expression) but instant coffee from a jar is just as much coffee as coffee from an all singing, all dancing machine with buttons and lights.

It's then all down to a person's subjective opinion of whether they like that particular coffee or not. No better, no worse.
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Old 26.05.2014, 12:59
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But then everybody's idea of a "good" anything is just their personal interpretation of it, isn't it?
True enough but I remembered that once, in the U.K, they were giving away tasting measures of white wine vinegar in a shopping centre but saying it was white wine and a lot of people thought it was really nice.

It doesn't mean that it was good white wine, does it?

And, I'd be disappointed if the Michelin restaurant reviewers actually preferred
a processed frozen pizza to a fresh hand-made one.
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Old 26.05.2014, 13:06
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True enough but I remembered that once, in the U.K, they were giving away tasting measures of white wine vinegar in a shopping centre but saying it was white wine and a lot of people thought it was really nice.

It doesn't mean that it was good white wine, does it?

And, I'd be disappointed if the Michelin restaurant reviewers actually preferred
a processed frozen pizza to a fresh hand-made one.
Absolutely, I agree, as much as coffee aficionados (probably) wouldn't select in instant coffee over freshly ground. The point is that you can't say one is coffee and one isn't. They are both coffee and both have their place.

Vinegar is not wine, though. Doesn't wine have to at least have some alcohol in it? Touting vinegar as wine is probably not correct apart from them sharing similarities early in their processing.

Wine which takes the surface off your teeth and makes your eyes water is still wine, it just tastes vinegary, plus you could probably put it on your salad, if you were so inclined.
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ha i discovered a coffee thread great! I love coffee!

just to fix the basic parameters for coffee:

First of all a coffe comes out of (and I can recommend to anyone exactly this setup):

and not of something like:
or


when you want to make a cappucino / milk coffee / whatever, you just change the Grinder settings! nothing on the machiene!





and a coffee must looks like this:


and certainly not like this (thats how an early grey should look like):



when you put sugar in your coffee, this should happen:

you're talking nonsense. I have an espresso machine and burr grinder. Espresso coffee is just one type of coffee. Coffee comes from Ethiopia not Italy and espresso produces a thick, rich type of coffee that I personally enjoy, but it certainly isn't the most refined sort. In fact, if you're working with something like Kope Luwak or Jamaica Blue Mountain which are lighter coffees, there are those that would scoff at the harsh treatment it gets in an espresso machine and would only put it through an aeropress or similar.
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Old 26.05.2014, 13:10
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First of all a coffe comes out of...





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but then it is just not a coffee anymore ... its an interpretation of if .. just like the examples:


pizza
vs


hamburgers:

vs

macaroni

vs


cheese
vs
We all have preferences, you list yours, which is ok. The differences might have to do with exposure, education, palate, laziness, snobbery..who knows. I never had tacos better than in Mexico, others would prefer Taco Bell which is as far from real stuff as one can imagine. I like people exposing me to new stuff, even if it makes me feel like I have made coffee wrong my entire life, feels like they are a doing me a favor. Grew up on Turkish coffee, btw, have preferred drip coffee for ages, might end up being hooked on those weird tiny espressos one day, like everybody here (it still feels like tea party for kids). But right now it kills my stomach n palate. That should not stop anyone sharing their preferences, it's a way to improve.
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but then it is just not a coffee anymore ... its an interpretation of if .. just like the examples:


pizza
vs


hamburgers:

vs

macaroni

vs


cheese
vs

Pizza was originally:




Hamburger was originally (and you can still get them at Louis' Lunch in New Haven):



Macaroni was originally:



and Cheese was originally:

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Re: Starbucks Coffee

starbucks-coffee-image.jpg

This makes an awesome brew

(i've got the tecchie stuff too, but some days one just wants to go basic)

It was rightside up when I poured the water
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Barbarian..Me too. Or in a drip machine. French press hasn't impressed me much but I might be grinding my beans too finely. Makes it muddy.

Where can I get French Vanilla flavored coffee beans here? Anyone? I dislike the sweet syrups.

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Re: Starbucks Coffee

Coffee, Food, Tea, Beer...pick your poison, share a common definition.

1. That which fuels the body.

More importantly

2. That which fuels the soul.
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Grew up on Turkish coffee, btw, have preferred drip coffee for ages, might end up being hooked on those weird tiny espressos one day, like everybody here (it still feels like tea party for kids). But right now it kills my stomach n palate. That should not stop anyone sharing their preferences, it's a way to improve.
You mean Turkish style coffee. I figured I could still enjoy a good cup here and there when I'll get a portable gas stove. I can ask my mom to send me the coffee, the Turkish one which I presume I can easily find here is too finely ground for my taste. (good though, but not like home)
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