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They probably get away with charging outrageous prices for coffee because they have Italian titles for everything!
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Old 17.02.2015, 19:10
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It's how all restaurants work.

... in the real world, at least.
That's a bit of an insult to chefs who actually care about the food they serve.
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Old 17.02.2015, 19:17
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That's a bit of an insult to chefs who actually care about the food they serve.
Lol.

You're just having a laugh now.
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Old 17.02.2015, 19:27
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They probably get away with charging outrageous prices for coffee because they have Italian titles for everything!
But a coffee in Italy is 1 Euro or less...

Yes, Odile, except in tourist traps.
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But a coffee in Italy is 1 Euro or less...

Yes, Odile, except in tourist traps.

You should bear in mind how Starbucks got started. Mr Schultz was in Milano for a late night and still a bit drunk in the morning after. Went to a Bistro and asked for a strong coffee. Got served a serious triple-Espresso, and then got informed about the Details. Yes, he and his company are for maximum Profit


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But a coffee in Italy is 1 Euro or less...

Yes, Odile, except in tourist traps.

Exactly the price level is why Starbucks in Zch Altstetten crashed, Check with Migros and COOP and you can easily see that their outlets in Zch-Altstetten and in SChlieren offer more lowprice products than their outlets on Kreuzplatz or in Zollikerberg





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You should bear in mind how Starbucks got started. Mr Schultz was in Milano for a late night and still a bit drunk in the morning after. Went to a Bistro and asked for a strong coffee. Got served a serious triple-Espresso, and then got informed about the Details. Yes, he and his company are for maximum Profit







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Mr Schultz then realised that by using less coffee and a LOT more ice a frappe could be reinvented as a frappucino - very GOOD profit margin, very BAD value-for-money for consumer.
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Old 18.02.2015, 09:49
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It's how all restaurants work.

... in the real world, at least.
You clearly go only to the wrong restaurants.

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Almost nobody goes to a cafe just to drink coffee, just as almost nobody goes to a pub just to drink beer and almost nobody goes to a restaurant just to eat food.
We do.

However, we live in Ticino.

OK, my wife goes to the pub to drink wine, and her daughter prosecco, but I go to DRINK BEER.

And, admittedly, when I go to a bar to drink coffee (there are no cafes in Italy), I usually have a prosecco or beer in place of, or in addition to, a coffee.

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Old 18.02.2015, 09:57
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We do.

However, we live in Ticino.

OK, my wife goes to the pub to drink wine, and her daughter prosecco, but I go to DRINK BEER.

And, admittedly, when I go to a bar to drink coffee (there are no cafes in Italy), I usually have a prosecco or beer in place of, or in addition to, a coffee.

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So why don't you stay at home? Presumably you have beer at home too.
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Old 18.02.2015, 10:08
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So why don't you stay at home? Presumably you have beer at home too.
Usually not, and not on tap.

As for coffee, the coffee in an Italian bar is far better than one can make at home.

Lastly, I go to restaurants for the food, to try new things, for new ideas of what I can make at home.

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Old 18.02.2015, 10:10
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Lol.

You're just having a laugh now.
So you're basically saying that people don't take pride in their jobs?

Is that nobody? Or just chefs? Or just you?
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I normally go to a coffee place to have a cup of coffee.
why don't you have coffee at home instead? is it because it is not as good as the coffee places, such as starbucks?
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Old 18.02.2015, 11:13
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why don't you have coffee at home instead? is it because it is not as good as the coffee places, such as starbucks?

If I'm out and about, I never think, "Oh, I really fancy a sit down on a stained brown sofa".

I think, "I'd like a cup of coffee". The stained brown sofa or paper cups or screaming kids is secondary to that.
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If I'm out and about, I never think, "Oh, I really fancy a sit down on a stained brown sofa".

I think, "I'd like a cup of coffee". The stained brown sofa or paper cups or screaming kids is secondary to that.
Not all of us have this military stamina...btw, have you thought about this?

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Old 18.02.2015, 11:43
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So you're basically saying that people don't take pride in their jobs?

Is that nobody? Or just chefs? Or just you?

No, I'm basically saying that you're an idiot.


Restaurants, cafeterias and bars are not merely refreshment stations. They sell more than just coffee or food - they sell an atmosphere, a place to sit and chill out, a place to meet friends or work or whatever. I do not believe for one minute that even you would choose a restaurant or cafe simply because the food or drinks are good if everything else about the establishment was rubbish.


I didn't use to go to Starbucks because they didn't have what I wanted there. I preferred the Odeon. Now, the coffee in the Odeon is good, but not as good as the coffee at the cafe at the Bellevue tram station. The Bellevue tram station cafe, however, is a busy, bustling kind of place that does not lend itself well to relaxing and chatting with friends. These days, my priorities have changed again: on the few occasions I go to Zurich, I need a place that welcomes small children and has room for a double buggy. The Odeon, unfortunately, no longer fits the bill. The Bellevue cafe is still too loud and busy for babies - maybe when they're a little older, my desire for quality coffee will override my desire to be comfortable with my family. Until then, Starbucks will do very nicely.


This is how normal people think. Almost nobody thinks "Oh, this place is ugly, situated on a ring road, the staff are rude, the decor is dreadful, but the chef is extremely good at his job so I'll have my birthday dinner there tonight". Sure, some snobs and weirdoes might consider the quality of the food to be the only thing that matters, but they are a tiny, tiny minority. For the rest of us, the quality of the food or drink is simply one of many factors which we take into account when we choose a place to go.


As for all that crap about insulting people who do their jobs properly - I'll treat it as the poor attempt at trolling it's clearly meant to be.
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If I'm out and about, I never think, "Oh, I really fancy a sit down on a stained brown sofa".

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I do. Well minus the stained brown sofa bit. It's usually a case if 'oh I could do with a sit down, where can I do that? Oh that cafe looks nice I'll have a coffee or a tea or a hot chocolate or whatever'.
If it's a nice day a wall or a bench will fulfil that need.

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I think, "I'd like a cup of coffee". .
And for me the coffee is actually secondary.

If I'm meeting friends for coffee the most important things for me are the atmosphere, how conducive the place is to having a reasonable conversation etc. How good the coffee is doesn't really come into it.

Having said that I'm not really a big coffee drinker ( one cup a day probably) and the only time I go to Starbucks is usually if I need a free wifi connection for some reason ( usually on holiday in the UK).

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Old 18.02.2015, 12:17
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No, I'm basically saying that you're an idiot.


Restaurants, cafeterias and bars are not merely refreshment stations. They sell more than just coffee or food - they sell an atmosphere, a place to sit and chill out, a place to meet friends or work or whatever. I do not believe for one minute that even you would choose a restaurant or cafe simply because the food or drinks are good if everything else about the establishment was rubbish.

I've done exactly that - on many occasions. (not in Switzerland though).

I tend to have a better time in restaurants with friends or family when the food is great rather than awful.


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This is how normal people think. Almost nobody thinks "Oh, this place is ugly, situated on a ring road, the staff are rude, the decor is dreadful, but the chef is extremely good at his job so I'll have my birthday dinner there tonight". Sure, some snobs and weirdoes might consider the quality of the food to be the only thing that matters, but they are a tiny, tiny minority. For the rest of us, the quality of the food or drink is simply one of many factors which we take into account when we choose a place to go.
Equally, people don't think, the food in this place is absolutely awful but everything else is just lovely so I'll eat there.

I find Starbucks coffee to be absolutely revolting so I don't drink there.

By the way, just because people don't think the same way as you - doesn't mean they are abnormal.
You really do have a high opinion of yourself, don't you?

Or, again are you writing on behalf of the silent majority? If yes then ditto my last sentiments.
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Not all of us have this military stamina...btw, have you thought about this?

Actually no. Carry-out coffee is more for the Starbucks brigade...
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Suggestion; grab a coffee and make-up.
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By the way, just because people don't think the same way as you - doesn't mean they are abnormal.

They might not be, but you certainly are.


I mean, honestly, look at yourself, and your "I don't watch the telly, and I only eat at the finest establishments, and I'm too good for Starbucks, and you're all fat, slobby working class tobacco-addicted shitbags" spiel.


I'm surprised you have the time to write anything on the EF in between gazing lovingly at yourself in the mirror and keeping all the solar panels on the Dewdrop Coast going with the sunshine that comes out of your arse.
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