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Going off topic, heard one could get a free Latte or cappuchino at starbucks till tomorrow; if you showed them this:
http://coffee.starbucks.ch/facebook/...voucher_ch.pdf
It is not until tomorrow but ONLY tomorrow (13.03) morning until noon.

EDIT: As Adrian says, tomorrow is really the 14th !!

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it is not until tomorrow but only tomorrow (13.03) morning until noon.
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Make it become stronger and fuller.


Turning ot: Was it Italy (I don't think Starbucks exists there) or even also CH where Starbucks had a first complete failure?

How is SB accepted in the German part of CH?

Is it really true they serve their coffee in paper cups? ???
Hi,
I'm Italian, moved here 2 months ago.
I never saw a SB in Italy. There is a MacCafé at the train
station of Florence, but that's about it.
I was shocked about the prices of an expresso here.
4.5 Francs for an espresso? What?!?! And they even suck!
Problem with those chains is that who makes those coffees
does not know how it should come out. How a good espresso
smells and tastes, strong but still not burned (bruciato in Italian),
such a small quantity of liquid that leaves a taste of coffee in your
mouth for 20 minutes. Hmmmm..
In Italy you pay 1 € for an espresso in the centre of a city,
0.7€ to 0.8€ in the countryside.
Now you can probably understand why SB is back in Zurich
and nowhere in Italy.

To go back to the topic, I'm sad about this decision to leave
Lavazza in favour of SB, but I guess it's all about money:
Lavazza is most probably more expensive, with SB they have
better margins.

Ah in Italy the coffee company who has the best reputation
is Illy.
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Ah in Italy the coffee company who has the best reputation
is Illy.
Ciao!
Illy literally wrote the book(s) on espresso.

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Problem with those chains is that who makes those coffees
does not know how it should come out. How a good espresso
smells and tastes, strong but still not burned (bruciato in Italian),
such a small quantity of liquid that leaves a taste of coffee in your
mouth for 20 minutes. Hmmmm..
Starbucks and many other places use automated machines. In the case of Starbucks, they do not follow the guidelines for espresso making set out by Illy- they follow their own, which maximize profit over taste.
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It is not until tomorrow but ONLY tomorrow (13.03) morning until noon.
Thanks, I hardly know german or french!
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Are you saying no one likes American (or American like food)? Or if they do, they aren't normal? There are over 300 million Americans. I am sure you will find a few of them who are normal. And who like American food. And who aren't obese.
I read the post as implying that Americans weren't 'normal' for any non-US use of the word. And let's face it, the ones who aren't obese are certainly not the norm.

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I read the post as implying that Americans weren't 'normal' for any non-US use of the word. And let's face it, the ones who aren't obese are certainly not the norm.

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I read the post as implying that Americans weren't 'normal' for any non-US use of the word. And let's face it, the ones who aren't obese are certainly not the norm.
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OK but you cannot say they got fat because they are Starbuck's favorite target.


Btw is their a difference between American Coffee and German coffee? Is the American one maybe a gift from German or Austrian immigrants to the US?


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Hi,
I'm Italian, moved here 2 months ago.
I never saw a SB in Italy. There is a MacCafé at the train
station of Florence, but that's about it.
I was shocked about the prices of an expresso here.
4.5 Francs for an espresso? What?!?! And they even suck!
Problem with those chains is that who makes those coffees
does not know how it should come out. How a good espresso
smells and tastes, strong but still not burned (bruciato in Italian),
such a small quantity of liquid that leaves a taste of coffee in your
mouth for 20 minutes. Hmmmm..
In Italy you pay 1 € for an espresso in the centre of a city,
0.7€ to 0.8€ in the countryside.
Now you can probably understand why SB is back in Zurich
and nowhere in Italy.
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That they aren't so stupid to try to sell their dishwater in Italy - I get that.

I don't understand why people at Zurich would like it, however. Out of plastic or paper cups.
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Re: Starbucks Coffee

Illy in Switzerland is sold under the name Amici and can be bought in Globus in bean and grounded form.
An interesting article from The Economist"In search of the perfect cup"
http://www.economist.com/node/883770.
I have been lucky enough to have an expresso in the Illy bar in Trieste and it is difficult to drink anything else.
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Hi,
I'm Italian, moved here 2 months ago.
I never saw a SB in Italy. There is a MacCafé at the train
station of Florence, but that's about it.
I was shocked about the prices of an expresso here.
4.5 Francs for an espresso? What?!?! And they even suck!
Problem with those chains is that who makes those coffees
does not know how it should come out. How a good espresso
smells and tastes, strong but still not burned (bruciato in Italian),
such a small quantity of liquid that leaves a taste of coffee in your
mouth for 20 minutes. Hmmmm..
In Italy you pay 1 € for an espresso in the centre of a city,
0.7€ to 0.8€ in the countryside.
Now you can probably understand why SB is back in Zurich
and nowhere in Italy.

To go back to the topic, I'm sad about this decision to leave
Lavazza in favour of SB, but I guess it's all about money:
Lavazza is most probably more expensive, with SB they have
better margins.

Ah in Italy the coffee company who has the best reputation
is Illy.
Ciao!
Try Venice- we paid 18E for 2 black coffees last year! Price of coffee in CH changes a lot from region to region, town to town, even within the same town. Here we pay 2.90.
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I don't understand why people at Zurich would like it, however. Out of plastic or paper cups.
Main reason I can think of for this is simply convenience.

They can leave the house without taking the time to actually make some coffee and stopping on the way to work means they get a disposable cup they don't have to worry about remembering to bring home or to wash.


I prefer "American style" coffee maker anyhow though, so that's part of my thing against Starbucks - gimme my 8+ cups in a carafe which I can drink in any amount (in any size cup) all morning long.
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Yes, it was CH, they came and flopped. Only very recent re-entry, probably 5 years or so now back in CH.
Do you have a cite for that? Starbucks just celebrated 10 years in Switzerland (all the baristas are/were wearing shirts with a big "10" on the back for the last few months). They purchase their beans via Switzerland and exclusively use Swiss-made machine in all of their stores.

I do wonder if they will use the same Swiss-made machine on the train. I only drink tea on the trains, I can't stand the coffee.

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Starbucks Coffee Switzerland opened its first coffeehouse 10 years ago. The store in Zurich Central was not only the first Starbucks coffeehouse in Switzerland – it was the first in mainland Europe as well. Worldwide, all Starbucks coffee houses are furnished with coffee machines manufactured by the Swiss company Thermoplan. Starbucks also chose Switzerland as the hub for its purchasing of coffee beans. Located in Lausanne, the Starbucks Coffee Trading Company is responsible for purchasing all of the coffee that is served in Starbucks around the world. Starbucks Coffee Switzerland currently operates 46 coffeehouses.
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Try Venice- we paid 18E for 2 black coffees last year! Price of coffee in CH changes a lot from region to region, town to town, even within the same town. Here we pay 2.90.
Well Venice is well known for its prices. They live out of turism alone.
I'm also afraid that they apply not 2 but 3 price lists, silently.
The cheapest for locals who speak venetian dialeact,
a medium one for Italians, and the highest for foreiners.
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I prefer "American style" coffee maker anyhow though, so that's part of my thing against Starbucks - gimme my 8+ cups in a carafe which I can drink in any amount (in any size cup) all morning long.
That's exactly the traditional German way to absorb the daily caffeine dose, since ever.

Starbucks, if I got it right, does not offer that, however.

Or can you order a (plastic?) carafe and you pay 4 franks a cup so 32 franks for your liquid breakfast?
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Starbucks is more about atmosphere then coffee which is highlighted by the fact that they failed in Australia because the didn't understand that Australian prefer decent coffee

Here is an article for those that want to read.

http://www.pajamadeen.com/business-n...d-in-australia


“The secret of the company’s success in the American market wasn’t that it sold coffee. It sold coffee culture…The other aspect of Starbucks’ appeal in the U.S. has been its establishment of the cafe as a social hub…But when Starbucks came to Australia to bring coffee and the cafe culture to the masses, it found that we already had it. Particularly in Melbourne, we have better coffee and more relaxing cafes than anything that Starbucks brought with it.”
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I can make grits with white polenta and it fills the void
I make my grits with the medium texture yellow polenta and find it tastes very similar to the grits I grew up with. If I'm feeling fancy I'll stir in some Gouda or smoked Gouda to make them really yummy. And, I'm sure when I'm pining for home I'll make some sawmill gravy (I'm a Southern girl, after all) to put on top of my yellow polenta grits.

Now, back to the Starbucks topic--I can't stand their black coffee, but I DO miss my grande skinny vanilla latte with an extra shot of espresso, in the paper cup, while doing my shopping around Target
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That's exactly the traditional German way to absorb the daily caffeine dose, since ever.

Starbucks, if I got it right, does not offer that, however.

Or can you order a (plastic?) carafe and you pay 4 franks a cup so 32 franks for your liquid breakfast?

I don't think you can get the plastic carafe, but you can get the famous Starbucks "coffee in a box".
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The best coffee I ever tasted was the one I made at home...hmmm I know what it is, what's in it and how it's made ;-)
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In my very long life I have tasted 3 coffees at Starbucks. Singapore, London, Easyjet, and 1 chocolate at London. All of them were for me memorable and for all the wrong reasons.

Now recently I read that next year the SBB / CFF are changing form Lavazza to Starbucks. I am really annoyed at this move, for my taste Lavazza is an excellent coffee, and Starbucks is the worst. People have different tastes, but to change from a European coffee to an American one is madness.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavazza

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starbucks
A) Starbucks may be American in a way but if you look at its history it is European coffee
B) when drinking coffee in Starbucks I keep with real coffee and not with the many fashion-stuff around. And the real tradional coffee they have is good
C) Lavazza and Starbucks are not a contradiction. Starbucks was established on the basis of what Mr Schultz saw in Milano. So that it in a way is the change from the original to the copy

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I hate nothing more than seeing people drink out of plastic or cardboard beakers, this is the main reason I avoid all such beverages. the amount of wastage lying around on every corner and space is disgusting.

I hope that more people think like you Sbrinz, a boycott is what we need - at those times my wife and I were in North America and we never had a decent cup of coffee or a decent hamburger.

We'll be drinking beer direct out of the bottle next...
I when drinking coffee in Starbucks NEVER drink out of plastic and cardboard beakers, but out of real stuff. Here in Zürich, you only get this plastic and cardboard rubbish if you want to take away your beverage, but if you are a real guest you get it in some real stuff

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Sounds strange to me changing from Lavazza to something (don't really know what it is and never want to try) like Starbucks (do they exist in CH? Who would ever go there for having some "american" coffee urgh, Germans maybe?).

I doubt that normal people like American (or American like) food or beverages,
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Starbucks has half a dozen outlets in the Zürich area alone. And as stated above, Starbucks is a US company but Starbucks coffee is NOT an "American coffee". Besided the point that American food, REAL food I mean, is delicious.

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Make it become stronger and fuller.


Turning ot: Was it Italy (I don't think Starbucks exists there) or even also CH where Starbucks had a first complete failure?

How is SB accepted in the German part of CH?

Is it really true they serve their coffee in paper cups? ???
No, Starbucks in Zürich did NOT have a "first complete failure" but in fact was successful right from the start. No, they serve it in earthenware cups

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Illy in Switzerland is sold under the name Amici and can be bought in Globus in bean and grounded form.
An interesting article from The Economist"In search of the perfect cup"
http://www.economist.com/node/883770.
I have been lucky enough to have an expresso in the Illy bar in Trieste and it is difficult to drink anything else.
Ah good to know. I thought it was a "chinese" version
of Illy!
Lavazza and Segafredo are also good brands.
Strangely enough other brands which seem to be
popular in Switzerland like Chicco d'oro or Maestro
Lorenzo are basically unknown in Italy...
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