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They might not be, but you certainly are.


I mean, honestly, look at yourself, and your "I don't watch the telly, and I only eat at the finest establishments, and I'm too good for Starbucks, and you're all fat, slobby working class tobacco-addicted shitbags" spiel.
I never said I'm too good for Starbucks. I like Italian coffee.
It's telling perhaps that there isn't a single branch of Starbucks in Italy.

What's that make all Italians in your eyes?


But know I your real agenda....:rolleyes.... It's all a bit sad, isn't it?
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Re: Starbucks Coffee

It's getting a bit too personal now, chaps. Keep it civil please.
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This is how normal people think. Almost nobody thinks "Oh, this place is ugly, situated on a ring road, the staff are rude, the decor is dreadful, but the chef is extremely good at his job so I'll have my birthday dinner there tonight". Sure, some snobs and weirdoes might consider the quality of the food to be the only thing that matters, but they are a tiny, tiny minority. For the rest of us, the quality of the food or drink is simply one of many factors which we take into account when we choose a place to go.
I think you are right. A lot of people go for atmosphere, etc. etc. but I think some people still go for food. Maybe I'm in a weirdo minority, but I do go to places where the place is ugly, the service is rude (in fact famously rude) because the food there is very good.

In summary, I go out to eat for: food, socialising or convenience.

I have to laugh at coffee snobs. To me it is like a bunch of people arguing the nuances of different McDonald's offerings. In the end it is just coffee. Coffee isn't that great in the scheme of things and certainly not something to be religious/snobbish about.
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Old 18.02.2015, 13:26
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I have to laugh at coffee snobs. To me it is like a bunch of people arguing the nuances of different McDonald's offerings. In the end it is just coffee. Coffee isn't that great in the scheme of things and certainly not something to be religious/snobbish about.
I laugh at coffee snobs too. The ones who think that unless you spend 3000 CHF on your machine and another 3000 CHF on a grinder then the coffee's not worth drinking.
There are a few coffee forums on the web where they wouldn't even respond to any of my questions when I was looking for a new machine.

But, I just don't like the taste of Starbucks coffee. It's bitter and only really possible to drink if you cover it in whipped cream, caramel, heaps of sugar and frothed milk (usually all of the above together). That's a kid's party treat - not a coffee.

Why is is such a crime not to like Starbucks coffee? Surely the way some people see it here it is like some religious deity?
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I think you are right. A lot of people go for atmosphere, etc. etc. but I think some people still go for food. Maybe I'm in a weirdo minority, but I do go to places where the place is ugly, the service is rude (in fact famously rude) because the food there is very good.

In summary, I go out to eat for: food, socialising or convenience.

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That's true. We have had some favourite restaurants over the years (particularly in France) where the decor has been tired to say the least and the service not particularly friendly but the food was very good.
There was one particular restaurant in Lyon down a not very attractive back street in a very old building with very old not very attractive decor and a rather gruff old waiter that we used to go to on a regular basis. The food was amazing and really inexpensive ( a major criteria back then) so we didn't really care about the rest. We even took friends there when they visited and they were very pleasantly surprised as their first impression when we arrived had not been very positive.

We generally choose places to eat based on what the menu has to offer rather than the decor but in general ugly looking places are not really enticing to go into in strange places and people only tend to go into them if they've heard about them or there is nowhere else available.
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Why is is such a crime not to like Starbucks coffee? Surely the way some people see it here it is like some religious deity?
I think there are two layers of snobbery, those who think that SB is really great compared to other places and they look down on others.

Then there are those who look down on the first group of people as wannabe coffee snobs who don't know better

Personally I do go to SB, but find that the coffee has been over-roasted for my tastes.
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Re: Starbucks Coffee

They don't call it Charbucks for nothing.

Black and bitter, bitte.
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Old 18.02.2015, 14:25
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Personally I do go to SB, but find that the coffee has been over-roasted for my tastes.
I have been to Starbucks - there used to be a great one in a Borders bookshop when I lived in the U.K. It's long since closed but when our eldest was a baby, we could feed the baby, browse and buy a few books and relax and meet friends.

But the coffee was still absolutely awful and I never managed to drink much of a cup of it.
As you say, it's over-roasted.

But prior to having kids, we used to go to much better independent coffee shops with a great atmosphere, great coffee and food.
Not so good with prams etc though.
Now we past that stage, I haven't had to go in a Starbucks for about ten years (apart from at a few airports).
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Old 18.02.2015, 14:35
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... only really possible to drink if you cover it in whipped cream, caramel, heaps of sugar and frothed milk (usually all of the above together)...
Yes, please, with a maple walnut scone on the side! Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Starbucks fan by any stretch. I like our coffee at home and I'm often too cheap to bother getting Starbucks or other coffee in town. But sometimes when I'm out and about I want a predictable, sugary, calorie-bomb beverage. Starbucks drinks (when prepared as you mention above) fit the bill for that.
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Re: Starbucks Coffee

I haven't read through all of the comments here, as it's a long thread. But I have to say that in the States, I didn't like Starbucks so much, but I absolutely love the "cafe creme" that you get here. It's short and dark and delicious. I tried to order exactly that at a Starbucks in Germany, and they had no idea what I was talking about. The closest they could offer was an Americano. I'm pretty sure that the Cafe creme is not espresso, but I'm not sure exactly what it is. Can anyone tell me?
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Old 18.02.2015, 15:16
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Re: Starbucks Coffee

Does anyone remember the predecessor to Starbucks in the UK? The original tiny shop in Covent Garden (Long Acre) and a few scattered cafés in bookstores (in Cambridge it was top floor of Waterstones)

The beans were roasted by Torz and Macatonia, now Union Coffee, and what was Seattle Coffee Company exploded into Starbucks at the turn-of-the-century. Intially the beans for *$ were still supplied by T&M, but the European creep changed that.
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Old 18.02.2015, 15:21
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Re: Starbucks Coffee

I quite like Starbucks coffee drinks with some added flavoring, cream etc.... and their cookie / cake options, yep I'm a old kid with a sweet tooth!!

The one thing that's puts me off is the concept of having to queue even when you plan on sitting down at one of their tables.
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Old 18.02.2015, 15:41
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For those of you who mourn the loss of "independent family-run cafes" to chains like Starbucks in the United Kingdom, here's a reminder of what we've lost:

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Are you really sure Starbucks is a bad thing?
yep, i think so. give it a decent machine, replace the old cups n sets and i am all good for having a nice time in a nice café!
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Old 18.02.2015, 15:48
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I haven't read through all of the comments here, as it's a long thread. But I have to say that in the States, I didn't like Starbucks so much, but I absolutely love the "cafe creme" that you get here. It's short and dark and delicious. I tried to order exactly that at a Starbucks in Germany, and they had no idea what I was talking about. The closest they could offer was an Americano. I'm pretty sure that the Cafe creme is not espresso, but I'm not sure exactly what it is. Can anyone tell me?
I think it might vary from one restaurant to the next. I ordered a cafe creme at a restaurant up on a mountain pass last year (forget which one), assuming I'd get coffee with full-fat non-frothy milk. They brought me a big cup of black coffee and a huge saucer brimming with fresh whipped cream. That was quite a treat!
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Old 18.02.2015, 16:33
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Re: Starbucks Coffee

If I ordered a café crème, I'd expect a smallish (well, a coffee cup - about 2 x double espresso sized) black coffee.


E.T.A. - Wikipedia reference-linkCaff%C3%A8_crema

So it seems to be a Swissy thing, so not surprising that they don't serve it in Starbuck, especially in Germany. Maybe Starbucks in Switzerland might be able to muster up something similar, otherwise you're stuck with Americano.
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But the coffee was still absolutely awful and I never managed to drink much of a cup of it.
Starbucks coffee is only drinkable with plenty of milk and sirup. Tried Espresso once - never again!
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Yes, please, with a maple walnut scone on the side! Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Starbucks fan by any stretch. I like our coffee at home and I'm often too cheap to bother getting Starbucks or other coffee in town. But sometimes when I'm out and about I want a predictable, sugary, calorie-bomb beverage. Starbucks drinks (when prepared as you mention above) fit the bill for that.
Ditto here!

A Starbucks calorie bomb is something I offer myself every two months or so, when I feel like I deserve a treat. It's not a coffee per se, more a snack or dessert.
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Does anyone remember the predecessor to Starbucks in the UK? The original tiny shop in Covent Garden (Long Acre) and a few scattered cafés in bookstores (in Cambridge it was top floor of Waterstones)

The beans were roasted by Torz and Macatonia, now Union Coffee, and what was Seattle Coffee Company exploded into Starbucks at the turn-of-the-century. Intially the beans for *$ were still supplied by T&M, but the European creep changed that.
There was also Coffee Republic
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Mr Schultz then realised that by using less coffee and a LOT more ice a frappe could be reinvented as a frappucino - very GOOD profit margin, very BAD value-for-money for consumer.

I have been in Starbucks outlets many times and was never forced at gunpoint to take a FRAPuccino
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