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Old 18.02.2015, 20:35
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We do.

However, we live in Ticino.

OK, my wife goes to the pub to drink wine, and her daughter prosecco, but I go to DRINK BEER.

And, admittedly, when I go to a bar to drink coffee (there are no cafes in Italy), I usually have a prosecco or beer in place of, or in addition to, a coffee.

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If I'm out and about, I never think, "Oh, I really fancy a sit down on a stained brown sofa".

I think, "I'd like a cup of coffee". The stained brown sofa or paper cups or screaming kids is secondary to that.

Something is wrong here. I have often been in Starbucks and the coffee was NEVER served in PAPER CUPS but always in decent Cups


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No, I'm basically saying that you're an idiot.


Restaurants, cafeterias and bars are not merely refreshment stations. They sell more than just coffee or food - they sell an atmosphere, a place to sit and chill out, a place to meet friends or work or whatever. I do not believe for one minute that even you would choose a restaurant or cafe simply because the food or drinks are good if everything else about the establishment was rubbish.


I didn't use to go to Starbucks because they didn't have what I wanted there. I preferred the Odeon. Now, the coffee in the Odeon is good, but not as good as the coffee at the cafe at the Bellevue tram station. The Bellevue tram station cafe, however, is a busy, bustling kind of place that does not lend itself well to relaxing and chatting with friends. These days, my priorities have changed again: on the few occasions I go to Zurich, I need a place that welcomes small children and has room for a double buggy. The Odeon, unfortunately, no longer fits the bill. The Bellevue cafe is still too loud and busy for babies - maybe when they're a little older, my desire for quality coffee will override my desire to be comfortable with my family. Until then, Starbucks will do very nicely.


This is how normal people think. Almost nobody thinks "Oh, this place is ugly, situated on a ring road, the staff are rude, the decor is dreadful, but the chef is extremely good at his job so I'll have my birthday dinner there tonight". Sure, some snobs and weirdoes might consider the quality of the food to be the only thing that matters, but they are a tiny, tiny minority. For the rest of us, the quality of the food or drink is simply one of many factors which we take into account when we choose a place to go.


As for all that crap about insulting people who do their jobs properly - I'll treat it as the poor attempt at trolling it's clearly meant to be.

I will come back to this. I never had to consider a double-buggie in a KAFFEEHAUS

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I go to starbucks for two reasons: the people and the coffee.

There are few places where you can meet great people with a similar mindset: iphones, macbooks, jeans, ugg boots and of course posting their whole life on facebook.

The coffee is similarly fantastic: try to find another place where they sell espresso per liter. Really the Axe of coffee!
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Old 18.02.2015, 20:58
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I never said I'm too good for Starbucks. I like Italian coffee.
It's telling perhaps that there isn't a single branch of Starbucks in Italy.

What's that make all Italians in your eyes?


But know I your real agenda....:rolleyes.... It's all a bit sad, isn't it?

Please relax. Starbucks was born in Milano a brainchild of Mr Schultz. Telling of what ? Telling of the deep respect the man has for real Italian coffee. There amazingly is a successful Starbucks in Beirut . There here is the famous saying EULEN NACH ATHEN TRAGEN --- TO TAKE OWLS TO ATHENS which in English possibly makes no sense at all. In German it however means that it is rubbish to take a well established product to an old market.
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Old 18.02.2015, 21:00
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If I ordered a café crème, I'd expect a smallish (well, a coffee cup - about 2 x double espresso sized) black coffee.


E.T.A. - Wikipedia reference-linkCaff%C3%A8_crema

So it seems to be a Swissy thing, so not surprising that they don't serve it in Starbuck, especially in Germany. Maybe Starbucks in Switzerland might be able to muster up something similar, otherwise you're stuck with Americano.


a CAFE -CREME here is a normal cup with mild coffee and some creme

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Old 18.02.2015, 21:16
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Please relax. Starbucks was born in Milano a brainchild of Mr Schultz. Telling of what ? Telling of the deep respect the man has for real Italian coffee.
I can't say that any coffee I've had in Milan has tasted like Starbucks coffee.

Perhaps he got the ideas for the cafes from the Milanese coffee culture but not the specific coffee taste?

It's CA Bay area coffee and people I know who live there prefer the darker roast that Starbucks and Peets etc offer.
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Old 18.02.2015, 21:34
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Please relax. Starbucks was born in Milano a brainchild of Mr Schultz. Telling of what ? Telling of the deep respect the man has for real Italian coffee. There amazingly is a successful Starbucks in Beirut . There here is the famous saying EULEN NACH ATHEN TRAGEN --- TO TAKE OWLS TO ATHENS which in English possibly makes no sense at all. In German it however means that it is rubbish to take a well established product to an old market.
Starbucks born in Milan? An idea by Mr Schultz? Do you have a link for this?
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Old 18.02.2015, 21:43
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Starbucks born in Milan? An idea by Mr Schultz? Do you have a link for this?
Here's a bit on it. And a plausible explanation as to why there are no Starbucks in Italy.
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Old 18.02.2015, 21:51
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Old 18.02.2015, 21:52
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@ Tom1234, Thanks, I also found a reference to it on the Starbucks home page.
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a CAFE -CREME here is a normal cup with mild coffee and some creme

just along ABER BITTE MIT SAHNE of Udo Jürgens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4LQFaPDJyQ

Thanks. I have found that to be true in most other restaurants. At Starbucks, however, a cafe creme is - as someone else mentioned - more like a double espresso (served without any milk or creme). I guess it's just a double espresso, but they call it 'cafe creme'. It is, however, what they gave me the first time I asked for a coffee there. I wasn't expecting something so dense and dark, but it was (is) delicious.
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Old 18.02.2015, 22:46
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If anyone tried to interpret Tom1234's public profile they would probably dismiss this whole discussion..."likes eating KFC" "veganism"...its ok Tom, the fog and lack of sun over in Wädi can do a trip on one's head
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I tend to have a better time in restaurants with friends or family when the food is great rather than awful.
Of course, but we're talking awful vs not so bad in comparison.

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Equally, people don't think, the food in this place is absolutely awful but everything else is just lovely so I'll eat there.

I find Starbucks coffee to be absolutely revolting so I don't drink there.
Well, here is the "problem". YOU think it's awful. Plenty of people think: It's not that bad. It certainly isn't the worst in Switzerland as most of the coffee here is just plain terrible. I prefer Italian coffee as well. But it's very difficult to find a good Italian coffee here, ie, not in Italy.

I was pleasantly surprised that I found a cafe in Montreux that actually has good coffee. Now, I can't drop everything and go there, drag every one over there even if it's not convenient for them, every time I want a coffee in public.

Plus, if your friends drag you to Starbucks, I'm sure you can get something else to drink. They even have tap water for free.

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Um..... That applies to you too, no?

You know, I was with you until your argument jumped the shark.
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Old 18.02.2015, 22:56
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Plus, if your friends drag you to Starbucks, I'm sure you can get something else to drink. They even have tap water for free.
Maybe I actually want a coffee in a coffee place?

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You know, I was with you until your argument jumped the shark.
Sorry. You lost me there. I don't like the taste of the coffee in Starbucks. It's not because I'm a coffee snob (I'm not) or for any other reason. I just don't like the taste.

This thread started with some news that SBB is swapping from Lavazza to Starbucks.
I'm disappointed. I like Lavazza.
I'm not sure why I need to be given so many labels because of this?
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Old 18.02.2015, 23:29
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I've just come up with a revolutionary idea! Bear with me, cos it's a bit wacky ...

Those people who like Starbucks, hey - why don't you go to Starbucks. Those people who don't like Starbucks, go to other places for your coffee.

I know it sounds radical, but it must be worth a go.
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Maybe I actually want a coffee in a coffee

Sorry. You lost me there. I don't like the taste of the coffee in Starbucks. It's not because I'm a coffee snob (I'm not) or for any other reason. I just don't like the taste.

This thread started with some news that SBB is swapping from Lavazza to Starbucks.
I'm disappointed. I like Lavazza.
I'm not sure why I need to be given so many labels because of this?
The point is, sure, we'd all love to eat and drink ONLY at places where we love the food/drink. But in real life that doesn't happen. We end up going to places for other reasons; convenience, price, wife/boyfriend/friend/cousin want to go, it's new so don't know if it's good, etc.

I don't believe the you've never done that.

Sometimes, as DB and others have said, we end up at "Starbucks" for something other than the taste of the coffee and that is why the place is so popular.
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Old 18.02.2015, 23:42
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I've just come up with a revolutionary idea! Bear with me, cos it's a bit wacky ...

Those people who like Starbucks, hey - why don't you go to Starbucks. Those people who don't like Starbucks, go to other places for your coffee.

I know it sounds radical, but it must be worth a go.
Except, as I mentioned in my last post:

This thread started with some news that SBB is swapping from Lavazza to Starbucks.
Not so easy to go elsewhere on a long train journey.



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The point is, sure, we'd all love to eat and drink ONLY at places where we love the food/drink. But in real life that doesn't happen. We end up going to places for other reasons; convenience, price, wife/boyfriend/friend/cousin want to go, it's new so don't know if it's good, etc.

I don't believe the you've never done that.
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Of course I've done that - loads of times.

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Sometimes, as DB and others have said, we end up at "Starbucks" for something other than the taste of the coffee and that is why the place is so popular.
But on a train, you get a coffee because you.....want a coffee.

But back to non-train outlets - given the choice - I don't go to Starbucks (as AdrianLondon suggested).
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But on a train, you get a coffee because you.....want a coffee.
Oh, good god! I'd never drink coffee on a train!?
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There was also Coffee Republic
There was..another predecessor to the Costa/Nero/Pret virus. And a decent train station had AMT
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I have been in Starbucks outlets many times and was never forced at gunpoint to take a FRAPuccino
Stick to your guns then Wolli - you'd likely be disillusioned
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Stick to your guns then Wolli - you'd likely be disillusioned

I am NOT to order a Frappucino
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Well, fancy that!

Suggest you go to METROPOL at Börsenstrasse 10 just a building behind the SNB -- spacious (ok for a twin-buggy) -- good coffee -- good wines
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