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Old 14.03.2012, 16:05
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Re: Starbucks Coffee

Starbucks is the Coldplay of coffee.
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Old 14.03.2012, 16:11
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Strangely enough other brands which seem to be
popular in Switzerland like Chicco d'oro or Maestro
Lorenzo are basically unknown in Italy...
Ummm, Chicco d'Oro is Swiss (Balerna)!

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Old 14.03.2012, 16:16
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I prefer "American style" coffee maker anyhow though


We have a friend who has one of those, every time we go visit we have to bring along a moka so that we can have real coffee!

Even my kids think that American is awful (or even anywhere north of the Alps)

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Old 14.03.2012, 16:22
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in Italy the coffee company who has the best reputation is Illy.
Depends where.

I have friends in Bergamo who prefer Spendid, my wife Lavazza, at work Chicco d'Oro, my daughter Denner, etc.

Really, it's more about the bar who makes it, rather than the brand itself.

It's hard to get a bad coffee in Italy, and it's just as hard to get a good one outside of Italy, and the further away you get, the worse it gets!

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Old 14.03.2012, 16:44
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Well Venice is well known for its prices. They live out of turism alone.
I'm also afraid that they apply not 2 but 3 price lists, silently.
The cheapest for locals who speak venetian dialeact,
a medium one for Italians, and the highest for foreiners.
Silently, maybe but not blindly. There is always a pricelist posted and even a tourist (who is able to read numbers) can get an espresso for less than EUR 1 just next to the Rialto bridge. Ordering at the bar -> Venecian price. Ordering at the table -> Italian price. Ordering on San Marco -> Tourist price.
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Old 14.03.2012, 16:52
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Even my kids think that American is awful (or even anywhere north of the Alps)

Tom
You can get great coffee in America - in North Beach, SF for example at most places:

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Old 14.03.2012, 16:53
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Ah good to know. I thought it was a "chinese" version
of Illy!
Lavazza and Segafredo are also good brands.
Strangely enough other brands which seem to be
popular in Switzerland like Chicco d'oro or Maestro
Lorenzo are basically unknown in Italy...
Maestro Lorenzo is from Kraft Foods (Originally from the German Jacobs, which became Jacobs Suchard). Please apply st2lemans comment about the quality of coffee and the distance to Italy.

Also there is an Illy coffee in Switzerland which is not related with THE Illy coffee from Italy. That is why the Illy is known as Amici.

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Old 14.03.2012, 17:18
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Re: Starbucks Coffee

Bar Basso in Zurich is currently producing exceptional Espressos - 4chf a pop though

You can get good "American Style" coffee - Carmel Coffee Company (Carmel, CA) and Aurora (Atlanta, GE) are 2 that spring to mind. They both produce coffee that packs a punch.
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Old 15.03.2012, 09:36
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Re: Starbucks Coffee

i think it is a real crime that starbucks is preferred choice of SBB. and i hope it goes down the drain just like that even more worse mcdonalds deal.
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Old 15.03.2012, 09:38
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Starbucks is the Coldplay of coffee.

yep, truly sheisse. and with make trade fair painted hands is no improvement...
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Old 15.03.2012, 10:16
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We have a friend who has one of those, every time we go visit we have to bring alng a moka so that we can have real coffee!

Even my kids think that American is awful (or even anywhere north of the Alps)

Tom
Yeah in fact I'm buying this, to bring at work:
http://www.bialetti.it/it/catalogue/....asp?id_cat=31
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Re: Starbucks Coffee

I have yet to find an espresso based coffee I like here. Anywhere. I have refused point blank to walk into Starbucks, and a Schale with Kaffeecreme isn't bad, but I want a flat white, or whatever people outside of New Zealand call it (is this a Milchkaffee here? Steamed milk and espresso, but less milk than a latte?) Every time I order anything that isn't a Schale all I get is something that tastes like watery milk. Instant is becoming my coffee of choice!
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Re: Starbucks Coffee

Wow! I thought the US had some coffee snobs... How dreadful drinking coffee from a paper cup!

Why is it such a big deal to take your coffe with you and enjoy it somewhere outside of a cafe? Its impossible to do here.. At least in the US we have the option.. But that goes for most things compared to CH.

Im not defending starbucks so much as american enterprise.. But althoough a chain may fail in Europe because of either bad coffee or people here are too traditional and not open to a new experience, starbucks stock has risen 5x in the last 3 years.. So they must be doing something people like, even if it is only us fat, lazy americans...

As far as i know, there is no american or european grown coffee... So is the discussion, who is a better importer? Or roaster?or who puts the water through the bean better?

Honestly the best cup of coffee ive had in europe was a cup of 'white' in scotland... Forget the brand name...
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Old 16.03.2012, 10:20
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Wow! I thought the US had some coffee snobs... How dreadful drinking coffee from a paper cup!
I find a coffee out of a real mug/cup much nicer than a paper cup. I "taste" the difference - I guess the impact of the paper. So if I have a choice I'll take the real cup over paper every time.

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Why is it such a big deal to take your coffe with you and enjoy it somewhere outside of a cafe? Its impossible to do here.. At least in the US we have the option.. But that goes for most things compared to CH.
The irony of this point may be lost on you, but at least in SB here you can have a choice of paper vs. mug - unlike the US where I've yet to go to an SB where I could get my coffee in a real mug. Maybe I've just been unlucky, but that's my experience Stateside so far.

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So is the discussion, who is a better importer? Or roaster?or who puts the water through the bean better?
A combination of the above.

HTH.

As a final thought - I'd just add that I am an SB fan, especially as they are great and welcome to families with children and were one of the few guaranteed non-smoking places when ours were small. It's just that I know I can get better coffee elsewhere.
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Old 16.03.2012, 10:25
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How dreadful drinking coffee from a paper cup!
Indeed.

It has a very serious impact on the taste, and doesn't hold the heat.

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Wow! I thought the US had some coffee snobs...
Never been to New Zealand then!
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I have a choice I'll take the real cup over paper every time.
I've not been to a Starbucks which gives paper cups for drinking inside the store (maybe they that in the US, I don't know, but in the UK they always use mugs - they've redesigned them recently and they're lovely to hold).

When getting a takeaway I think you're expecting too much, even in trusting ol' Switzerland, to be given a proper cup to wander the streets with.
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Re: Starbucks Coffee

Different coffees for different moments in life. A big gallon cup of (decent) Americano works great - in American - in a car (with a lazy engine and gearbox) - with the right size cupholder - it works perfectly.

The same as short, strong, thick and non-bitter espresso works perfectly stood at a bar in Italy.

For Paris - I'll take a large cup of black coffee.

For heavens sake, why abolish choice?**

**Although I hate the order of a dry-skinny-extrashot-grande-latte-with sugarfree hazelnet.
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Re: Starbucks Coffee

there is no greater indication of the decline of western civilization then the extension of wine-snobbery to beer and coffee. I am anxiously waiting for a post in this thread describing the best way to decant a freshly-brewed cup of joe.
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Old 16.03.2012, 11:48
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I am anxiously waiting for a post in this thread describing the best way to decant a freshly-brewed cup of joe.
You neither brew nor decant, you express it directly into the cup, anything else is simply 'acqua sporca'!

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