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Old 16.04.2012, 12:53
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Well I actually wanted to hear his response to what he posted. Immaculate conception is not via intercourse, but I am sure you knew that.
I don't think Assassin knows much about virgins.
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Old 16.04.2012, 12:59
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...Personally, I'd rather take heed of people telling me what I should believe. That's real arrogance.
(Not that you'd ever tell anyone they should believe that. )
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Old 16.04.2012, 13:12
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Well I actually wanted to hear his response to what he posted. Immaculate conception is not via intercourse, but I am sure you knew that.


And conception cannot be immaculate, but I'm sure you don't believe that...
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Old 16.04.2012, 13:33
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This is the hubris that sank the Titanic:

"I cannot imagine any condition which would cause a ship to founder. I cannot conceive of any vital disaster happening to this vessel. Modern ship building has gone beyond that."
-Captain Smith, Commander of Titanic


It's probably the lesson the preacher was teaching: The dangers of fully believing in the superiority of one's own smugness. Atheists take heed.
Actually, if you've read any of the history of the building of the ship and the crossing itself, the Captain was not the one pushing to make record time to NYC, rather Mr. Ismay. Also, the rivets in the construction of the ship were defective due to rushing the project and cutting corners and these rivets broke on contact.

Yes, there was a good deal of hubris involved, but the hubris had help, too.

Besides, I'm in the camp that if god were so powerful to smite the proud, you'd think he'd be powerful enough to save the innocent...many of whom were trapped in steerage.
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Old 16.04.2012, 13:46
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Re: Titanic: No God, No Church

So is it worth paying CHF16 to see the same film in 3D?
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Our young, local Swiss priest preached to the First Communion kids today that the text "No God, No Church" was printed on the side of the Titanic and that's exactly where the iceberg hit. Is this true? I didn't find anything in the Internet about it. If this story isn't true, I'm going to give the priest a sermon myself.
Sorry Olygirl can not verify your query. However can state the following. Firstly, it is correct to question what has been stated here by the priest. Should it be incorrect then you need to get the facts right between you and your child- if this is the case. Secondly, you need to address this concern with your priest and take the necessary action if has wronged the community on a repetitive scale. Most importantly, ensure that your child correctly understands why you/yours made the decision to engage in "the first communion" celebration. The importance of this symbolic action should be really understood...and it might be a hard concept for a child to understand independantly (whether culturally, religistically or spiritually based), so a parents input can always compliment in the learning process and be valued!

On a personal note....Priests are also normal people who are "sinners" and are allowed to make mistakes too....but not repeatedly. Perhaps he read an untrue fact off the internet and took it as truth??? I recall that nothing in this world is absolute other than creation (the elements, unconditional love, sense of smell, sight, magnetism, the organic elements of an atom) everything else is "relative"...including some stories at church!

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Our young, local Swiss priest preached to the First Communion kids today that the text "No God, No Church" was printed on the side of the Titanic and that's exactly where the iceberg hit. Is this true? I didn't find anything in the Internet about it. If this story isn't true, I'm going to give the priest a sermon myself.
There is the problem, kids will believe anything and if told enough lies become the truth.
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Old 16.04.2012, 14:13
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I recall that nothing in this world is absolute other than creation (the elements, unconditional love, sense of smell, sight, magnetism, the organic elements of an atom) everything else is "relative".
You lost me at "the organic elements of an atom"...

time for a Darwin fish me thinks.

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Old 16.04.2012, 14:18
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Re: Titanic: No God, No Church

It was my wifes grand fathers fault he was a riverter in at the Titanic
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Old 16.04.2012, 14:18
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I recall that nothing in this world is absolute other than creation (the elements, unconditional love, sense of smell, sight, magnetism, the organic elements of an atom) everything else is "relative"...
Ok... what exactly is this supposed to be?

I can usually pick out theist undertones, but this is just indiscriminate babble!

You may want to paste a few of those catch words there into google - do a bit of reading as to what they actually mean.
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Old 16.04.2012, 14:28
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Re: Titanic: No God, No Church

I know exatley what happened with the Titanic as soon as I am finish with my story I put it up on EF
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I know exactly what happened with the Titanic as soon as I am finish with my story I put it up on EF
So do I..........it sank.
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Old 16.04.2012, 14:33
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The ship was built in Belfast by some of the most Catholic critters on the planet...I've never heard that particular bit of folklore but there's no way it could be true. Why would your priest say such a thing...how odd.
The problem with your song is : The catholics din`t get any of the jobs in the first place
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Old 16.04.2012, 14:59
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The problem with your song is : The catholics din`t get any of the jobs in the first place
Ah, true...Belfast. Still, it's not as though the Protestants were godless atheists.
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Old 16.04.2012, 15:01
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Pretty sure Assassin meant that a virgin cannot give birth without ever having intercourse.



At least in the real world
I din`t know that
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Old 16.04.2012, 16:23
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Re: Titanic: No God, No Church

From a theological point of view, the Titanic is still a valid illustration of what one put's one's faith in. At the time, it was considered the best of human engineering. And that is what dealt such a big psychological blow. It's not about whether the builders and crew were atheist or not, nor is it about the superstition of having some words printed on the side. It was about how even the best that man can accomplish can end up at the bottom of the ocean. The lesson still holds true today.
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Old 16.04.2012, 16:44
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From a theological point of view, the Titanic is still a valid illustration of what one put's one's faith in. At the time, it was considered the best of human engineering. And that is what dealt such a big psychological blow. It's not about whether the builders and crew were atheist or not, nor is it about the superstition of having some words printed on the side. It was about how even the best that man can accomplish can end up at the bottom of the ocean. The lesson still holds true today.
Based on your statement, how is there any 'theological point of view'? The only ones I can see are a) amusement that (maybe) some athiests died, b) God can't be bothered sparing innocent lives when he has the opportunity to smite one unbeliever who, conveniently, is back home safely on dry ground.
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Re: Titanic: No God, No Church

They were all Smoten by the Iceberg God of that particular part of the Ocean (There are different Ice Gods that cover different areas of the ocean and some are more forgiving than others but that is another story for another time).

He took one look at the smug non believers and gave them a swift right hander to give them something to think about.

A lesson learned for us all.
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Ah, true...Belfast. Still, it's not as though the Protestants were godless atheists.
With Ian Pasley as leader
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Old 16.04.2012, 18:00
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Based on your statement, how is there any 'theological point of view'? The only ones I can see are a) amusement that (maybe) some athiests died, b) God can't be bothered sparing innocent lives when he has the opportunity to smite one unbeliever who, conveniently, is back home safely on dry ground.

The post you just quoted explained it. It's the question of what one puts their faith in; God or Man made things. As for your a) & b); those you imagined.
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