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Old 15.06.2012, 13:42
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Re: accused of shoplifting, but not really?

I have to agree with the last few posts. I didn't get that the OP held this attitude but that she noticed it was (and lets face it IS) an attitude that exists.

I think the OP sort got misunderstood.

Let's give each other the benefit of the doubt sometimes. It's difficult to convey subtlety in forum writing. EF has been in a bit of a bad mood these last few days! But the sun is finally out. So let's cheer up!
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Re: accused of shoplifting, but not really?

thank y'all very much. i'll reiterate again that i'm not racist by any stretch of the imagination, and i'll even apologize for listing certain races (because i understand how that could be construed in an unsavory manner) and again, all's well that ends well.
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Old 15.06.2012, 13:45
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Re: accused of shoplifting, but not really?

How on Earth did a thread on shoplifting turn into a politically correct/racism thread?!
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Old 15.06.2012, 13:47
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thank y'all very much. i'll reiterate again that i'm not racist by any stretch of the imagination, and i'll even apologize for listing certain races (because i understand how that could be construed in an unsavory manner) and again, all's well that ends well.
Fair enough.
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Old 15.06.2012, 13:49
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Re: accused of shoplifting, but not really?

It's Snarky Day.

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Old 15.06.2012, 13:50
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It's Snarky Day. Week.


Ok, it's Friday and the sun is out! All of you go out & play! :P
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Re: accused of shoplifting, but not really?

I think it's a sign of the times really - shoplifting is a big problem in many places, not only CH. I've been accused once of shoplifting (was followed into the carpark after buying a magazine and then returning to the same shop...not in CH) and last time at home I was wandering around the shop with goods in hand trying to find OH who had all the dosh on him, and was closely followed by a security guard at all times!!
It's unpleasant being accused of something that you wouldn't do, but it's also stressful for the employees as well - it's not pleasant having to reprimand someone and not knowing how they are going to respond. Everyone when caught in the shop will deny they were going to steal something - how to distinguish the genuine ones from the thieves?
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Old 15.06.2012, 14:16
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How on Earth did a thread on shoplifting turn into a politically correct/racism thread?!
Ever heard of Godwin's law?
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Old 15.06.2012, 14:37
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I could have told you right away that the shop assistant wasn't Swiss. We with our passive aggressive attitude would have called the police without any prior discussion. Conclusion of the discussion: You were accused of shoplifting by a foreigner who hates other foreigners and for sure must have strong bonds to the SVP. Vive la généralisation!
Well, there is some truth in what you've said. The only shop assistants, cashiers etc that were unfriendly to me, if not rude, were..immigrants. I'm sorry to say that, but that's my perception. And the less willing to speak High German or English, even if they could. There's a lot of resentment out there.. (fact which I actually don't think its in favour of the Swiss)
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Old 15.06.2012, 14:55
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i wonder if you purposely misunderstand my statement. i am by no means saying that i hate any of those aforementioned nationalities. in fact, i find it awful that people treat me different after they find out that i am not one of those nationalities. in my opinion, stores should treat all customers as if they customers, and not give a different rate of service depending on the color of the skin, hair, or eyes.
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...I've just been informed I belong to a "poor" minority (sic). ....
No you haven't, and I'm really surprised that people took umbrage. The quotes indicated that the categorisation was not one that the OP held herself.

She has now pointed out - for the over-sensitive - that she was saying that there is a perception among certain people that if you've slightly darker skin, oriental features, or anything else that differs from the majority pale-skinned, short and dumpy residents , that you are from a poor background and likely to steal.
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i'm really way too polite, i know. i was raised in the south, i still habitually call everyone i know ma'am or sir if we're conversing in english...and i don't feel comfortable with "naming and shaming." but i won't be going there anymore, and i told the parents of my little duck, so her birthday presents won't be from there either.

on the other hand, i am so surprised how many people have horror stories similar to this. and the dad of the little girl asked me if the clerk was german? are germans more likely to be ugly salesclerks than swiss?

and yeah, i do have a medium level of melanin (i.e. a perpetual tan). aaand i do get treated disdainfully at times by various people in various service sectors. i figure, it's okay, after i get a "big girl" job, i will just avoid spending my francs at their establishments and raise my offspring with the idea of "tolerance" firmly planted in their minds.

and i also try really hard to change peoples' perceptions of "foreigners" (i.e. i do give my seat up to an old lady that would have to stand otherwise, always help with baby carriages, and google which platform the connecting train is ) i hope it's the little things that count.
I have a friend from Pakistan who did her studies in the USA and used to tell me funny stories about her being carefully supervised in some stores because of her tan and because they surely thought she was Mexican. (her words, not mine...)
What I'm trying to say is I'm not so sure about "tolerance" when it comes to potential shoplifters, neither here, nor in other parts of the world. But I believe that sales people should suspect about everyone. (blonde blue-eyed thieves must live la dolce vita)
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Old 15.06.2012, 16:52
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Well, there is some truth in what you've said. The only shop assistants, cashiers etc that were unfriendly to me, if not rude, were..immigrants. I'm sorry to say that, but that's my perception. And the less willing to speak High German or English, even if they could. There's a lot of resentment out there.. (fact which I actually don't think its in favour of the Swiss)
I think it's hilarious. A bunch of people full of their very own interpretation of political correctness are being totally political incorrect in sweeping generalisation against all citizens of one nation. In fact they are doing exactly the same they claim we Swiss are doing. I bet that the majority of this forum can't distinguish a Swiss from a foreigner.
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I for one understood what you meant right away.

I've had the same experience a few times - when people find out I'm Canadian and not just a ''gypsy Romanian'', they completely change their attitude. I've had a few people (doctors, sales clerks, headhunters) try to push me around up until I say something about Canada in perfect english

It's awful but it's true, they are sometimes more polite if they find out you come from ''the developed world''
Oh look! It's the lady who likes to 'poke gypsies with a sharp stick' talking about issues with race and nationality again
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Old 15.06.2012, 17:33
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... I bet that the majority of this forum can't distinguish a Swiss from a foreigner.
I'm British. Anyone not British is a foreigner. All Swiss are foreigners, so the question doesn't arise. (Except those who are British as well of course )
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I'm British. Anyone not British is a foreigner. All Swiss are foreigners, so the question doesn't arise. (Except those who are British as well of course )
Yeah, but as you haven't contributed anything to the world's success since scoring 4 (questionable goal included) in 1966's soccer game, you have rescinded the right to be considered the "home nation".

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Oh look! It's the lady who likes to 'poke gypsies with a sharp stick' talking about issues with race and nationality again


Oh joy....you're back
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Back to denounce your hypocrisy
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Old 15.06.2012, 18:01
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Yeah, but as you haven't contributed anything to the world's success since scoring 4 (questionable goal included) in 1966's soccer game, you have rescinded the right to be considered the "home nation". ...
Well apart from the World Wide Wed (Tim Berners-Lee) and the solution to Fermat's Last Theorem (Andrew Wiles).
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Yeah, but as you haven't contributed anything to the world's success since scoring 4 (questionable goal included) in 1966's soccer game, you have rescinded the right to be considered the "home nation".

Now, back to the hardened shoplifting types and people with pro-/anti tanned skin arguments.
I am a bit lost. What about the spray tanned tangerine looking ones? Which part of the evolution do they belong to? And are they more likely to be accused of shoplifting?
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Back to denounce your hypocrisy


Yes, indeed. Thank you ever so much, krash - I have seen the error of my ways and now clearly understand that were it not for the guidance of your rich and informative (not to mention wise posts), the poor lost souls of the forum would surely stray with alarming speed from the shining path of righteousness and descent quickly to the dark, murky, cold depths of a world in which there is no ice cream, no fluffy bunnies, no happiness; and worst of all - no Krash.



...So kindly piss off, we're busy descending here.
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