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Old 25.12.2015, 23:22
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Re: accused of shoplifting, but not really?

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Question is that, will these kind of shoplifting activities have any impact on the work permit apart from police records? I guess the person will fined may be around 1000 chf but after that will he be told to leave the country if he is on a work permit?
If EU no chance.
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Re: accused of shoplifting, but not really?

And is Switzerland in EU?
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Old 26.12.2015, 01:27
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And is Switzerland in EU?
The point is that it is difficult to remove an EU national, nothing to do with us being in the EU!
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Old 26.12.2015, 12:32
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And is Switzerland in EU?
No it's not, however an EU national had the right to live here.
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Old 26.12.2015, 12:48
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Re: accused of shoplifting, but not really?

And if the person is a non EU national? Just came here for work from the USA or ASIAN countries and caught in shoplifting police records, will he be allowed to continue to work or told to leave the country and will be possibly face issues next time when he applies for work permit?
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Old 26.12.2015, 12:52
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And if the person is a non EU national? Just came here for work from the USA or ASIAN countries and caught in shoplifting police records, will he be allowed to continue to work or told to leave the country and will be possibly face issues next time when he applies for work permit?
Chance of getting a C permit is zero if they get a criminal record. Why would Switzerland want to let criminals stay?
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Re: accused of shoplifting, but not really?

I think certain countries won't take them back.
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Re: accused of shoplifting, but not really?

I despise self scanning. Mostly I resent the way the store staff hover over you.
There is no discount offered because they save employees and I do the work of an employee. So what is the point??

At Ikea they have 4 scanners and one staff person standing in the vicinity. I had 3 items, all under chf 5 each. Plastic kitchen containers. I scanned all of them, or so I thought. I always check the screen to verify the price and items scanned but before I had a chance to do this the staff person comes over and intervenes. I still had the scanner in my hand! She was rude.

The missed item was chf 1.95.

To add insult to injury I had my own Ikea bag with me. The employee tells me I forgot to scan it. It has creases from being folded. It looks used. Finally she agreed it was not new.

I bring my own plastic shopping bags wherever I shop. I have never been asked about a shopping bag.

If the line ups with a cash register operated by an Ikea employee were not so long I would have stood in one of those lines.
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Old 26.12.2015, 14:56
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Re: accused of shoplifting, but not really?

As a non-EU person, one could lose residency because of one shoplifting record.
I bought my umbrella at the supermarket, and I still carry the receipt with me one year afterwards, just to be on the safe side.
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Re: accused of shoplifting, but not really?

Do you mean the current resident permit? I mean is there any way to plead for the first offence? Also loosing residence permit is there any certain no. Of days he will be allowed here after? He already paid for offense of not visiting migros for 3 years and 100 chf fine.
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Old 26.12.2015, 15:04
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Do you mean the current resident permit? I mean is there any way to plead for the first offence? Also loosing residence permit is there any certain no. Of days he will be allowed here after? He already paid for offense of not visiting migros for 3 years and 100 chf fine.
Sorry, didn't mean to worry you that much. I can't give you an expert opinion- just wanted to show which precautions I take.
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Old 26.12.2015, 15:58
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Re: accused of shoplifting, but not really?

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: the retail shop told that he have video evidences of the person doing before.
Just for clarification, do I understand correctly that he / she has been video-taped by the retail store in question i.e. Migros as having done the same thing before?
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Old 26.12.2015, 16:20
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Re: accused of shoplifting, but not really?

We have a mixture of bags & take a different bag to the shop we're going in, ie going to Jumbo so take a Migros bag, going to Landi so take a Denner bag etc. I also have a Sainsburys bag . That can go in all the shops here.
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Old 26.12.2015, 18:23
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Re: accused of shoplifting, but not really?

I guess yes she was videotaped by migros earlier, and that is why they called the polizei, I remember she told me she might have forgot to scan 1-2 times before. But no warnings given before, else she would have paid then and there.
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Old 26.12.2015, 19:15
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Re: accused of shoplifting, but not really?

Maybe they will install body scanners at shop entrance/exits soon & an ultrasound to make sure you haven't hidden anything indoors.
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Old 26.12.2015, 20:27
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I guess yes she was videotaped by migros earlier, and that is why they called the polizei, I remember she told me she might have forgot to scan 1-2 times before. But no warnings given before, else she would have paid then and there.
I can't see why they would bother with any warnings - and if you've "forgotten" to pay 2-3 times, it no longer feels like an accident.
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Re: accused of shoplifting, but not really?

Not sure if its an accident, even if that is intentional what will be the consequences? May be a hefty fine of 1000 chf, apart from that will it affect any other current work permits? Question is that does shoplifting effects the work permits? Will she be told to leave the country? Is it that much of offense for a person to affect the working status?
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Old 26.12.2015, 21:03
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Am I the only one who finds it odd to be asking about fines/punishment etc for shoplifting?
Either *he's planning to go out on a massive shoplifting spree between now and the end of the year or *he's been caught and is worried about the consequences.

* or she
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Old 26.12.2015, 21:15
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Do you mean the current resident permit? I mean is there any way to plead for the first offence? Also loosing residence permit is there any certain no. Of days he will be allowed here after? He already paid for offense of not visiting migros for 3 years and 100 chf fine.
I have zero experience of this stuff - but being barred from Migros for 3 years sounds as if his previous offence(s) must have been something fairly serious/intentional, i.e. something that on camera was clearly NOT a self-scan error. If so, then it does not surprise me that their next step, when the same person was caught apparently shoplifting again, was to call the police.


Here is an article from the Tagesanzeiger (in German, but you can use Google Translate) about theft at self-scan checkouts. It doesn't address the legal consequences, or the details of police involvement, but what it does say is that store personnel are instructed to treat every case initially as an honest mistake. They do not even use the word "theft" initially, they speak of "departing with unpaid items". You correct the error, leave the store, and that's that - for the moment.

According to the article, every such incident is then reported to Migros headquarters, where they check the central database - not just to see whether the person has a record of previous self-checkout problems (after all, many people who make honest mistakes also make those repeatedly), but: has this person behaved in a suspicious way before? For example, are the items she forgets to scan always coincidentally the expensive items in her basket? does she frequently scan items and then cancel them?

In short, what they look for are patterns of behavior which indicate ongoing dishonesty rather than user error. (Of course, one might be a career shoplifter and yet this time have made a genuine error - but they say that various courts have found their evidence sufficient to convict.)

If the security team at headquarters determines that a particular customer's scanning behavior is indeed suspicious, they can instruct the system to flag that person up for a "random check" every.single.time he/she uses the self-scan checkout from now on. When the errors accumulate past a certain point, then they call the police and also ban the customer from using self-checkout. Note that this does not ban the customer from shopping in Migros at all (as they can still use the staffed checkout lanes) so if it is true that your friend really was completely banned from Migros for 3 years, his offence must have been more serious than that. (Is it possible that he's not being quite honest with you either about the details of all this?)
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And if the person is a non EU national? Just came here for work from the USA or ASIAN countries and caught in shoplifting police records, will he be allowed to continue to work or told to leave the country and will be possibly face issues next time when he applies for work permit?
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Do you mean the current resident permit? I mean is there any way to plead for the first offence? Also loosing residence permit is there any certain no. Of days he will be allowed here after? He already paid for offense of not visiting migros for 3 years and 100 chf fine.
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I guess yes shewas videotaped by migros earlier, and that is why they called the polizei, I remember she told me she might have forgot to scan 1-2 times before. But no warnings given before, else she would have paid then and there.
It seems the offender changed gender somewhere along the way.
I'm finding this whole story more than a wee bit suspicious to be perfectly honest. I think there must be more to it than we are being told.

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